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OK, In order to be eligible for the growing project, every member MUST forgive me for all this confusion. I spent a good part of the day contacting vendors and after all is said and done, Mike's communications with Oak Hills Gardens, has turned out to be the most sensible choice of vendors with a nice variety of plants in which to choose from, very fair pricing being offered to us and a reputation to trust that once we decide which orchid for the project, one that will be in good health! Le Chiam! Oak Hill Gardens This is the only possible way in which to offer everyone a variety without it becoming a gazillion plants from which to start elmininating for a final vote. Take a look at the Oak Hills' wholesale price list and choose up to 3 plants from that list. Please get your count in by Wednesday.....here, in this thread! Internet Orchid Species Photo Encyclopedia for assistance. ************************************************** ******************* ORCHIDS LIST - OAK HILL GARDENS ( ) = number of votes (final voting will be in a poll. TBA) Canadian Orchid Vendors: The Orchid House - Vendors of Orchid Plants and related material European Orchid Vendors: Orchid Vendors in the European Union Anguloa ruckeri - Species (3) Seedling - to be disqualified Aerangis biloba - Species (6) Mounted - to be disqualified Blc. (Lc. Drumbeat ‘Heritage’ AM/AOS x Brassavola glauca) - Hybrid (1) Cattleya aurantiaca - Species (3) Seedling - to be disqualified Dendrobium secundum - Species (3) - Blooming Size Dendrobium chrysanthum - Species (1) Blooming Size Dendrobium moschatum - Species (3) Blooming Size Encyclia belizensis - Species (3) Blooming Size Epidendrum pseudepidendrum - Species (3) - Seedling - to be disqualified Paphiopedilum Barbilight = (Barbi Playmate x Nulight ‘Hamphshire’ HCC/AOS)- Hybrid (2) Seedling - to be disqualified Paphiopedilum delenatii - Species (9) - Seedling - to be disqualified Phalaenopsis amboinensis - Species (1) Seedling - to be disqualified Phalaenopsis bastianii - Species (5) Seedling - to be disqualified Phalaenopsis equestris - Species (4) Seedling - to be disqualified Paphiopedilum (Maudiae x (Hsinying Majakun x Alma Gevaert) (1) Phalaenopsis stuartiana - Species (3) Seedling - to be disqualified Phalaenopsis shilleriana - Species (3) Seedling - to be disqualified Potinara Cameron's Magnetism 5" - Hybrid (2) Blooming Size ************************************************** ******************* MEMBERS PARTICIPATING in Project #1 Ak Orchid (Anchorage, Alaska) articuno75 (Portland, Indiana) (chose) brookn (Missouri)chefatplay (Vero Beach, Florida) (chose) clarita cytojo (Northfield Center, Ohio) dipasquo (San Francisco, California) evagentry (Romania) exasperatus2002 (Allentown, Pennsylvania) (chose) flowerchild (Ontario, Canada) Hummer344 (San Jose, California) (chose) jay (Palm Springs, California) (chose) jbigio (Bushkill, Pennsylvania) (chose) jctusa (Michigan) kellyincville (Virginia) made4engineering (Texas) (chose) mayres (Keizer, Oregon) (chose) NancyG (Broward County, Florida) patlee (Columbus, Ohio) (chose) patticake (Halfmoon, New York) (chose) PhalPal (Placentia, California) pikevi (Ontario, Canada) pitik101 (Philippines/Singapore) prisana ?? (Broward County, Florida) Rocinante (Long Island, New York) (chose) rodbender (Port Charlotte, Florida) (chose) Sandra (Palm Beach County, Florida) (chose) Sharyn (Chicago, Illinois) (chose) shiningrock (MA.) (chose) snowballsarebad (Fairfax, Virginia) (chose) Tobi (Upstate New York) tizzycat (West yorkshire, United Kingdom) Tom499 (Birmingham, United Kingdom) Vivienne (Colorado Springs, Colorado) (chose) Last edited by sandra; 03-17-2008 at 01:26 AM. |
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Have looked at the Oak Hill wholesale list and have two choices: Cattleya aurantiaca Phalaenopsis equestris David Last edited by kmarch; 03-15-2008 at 10:11 PM. Reason: no caps on species names |
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Aerangis biloba Paphiopedilum delenatii Encyclia belizensis Here's my three
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Because our growing areas are likely to exhibit a fairly wide range of conditions, I'd recommend a hybrid as hybrids are typically more tolerant of wider ranging conditions.
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Your point is well taken Kevin - I think Jerry also mentioned that hybrids would be better choices from which to choose if/when looking for the most potential for the success for the highest numbers of participants. This may or may not be what this group is looking for? Maybe a number of people have always wanted to try some species plants and have never done so and this is an opportunity to dip their toes in the water? Maybe we can make this an annual event and can look back at this year's experience and learn from it? That would be cool wouldn't it? One thing I am anxious about from the list is knowing how far along some of the choices might be? If they don't say nbs they could be as many as 3-4 YEARS from blooming (?). My local orchid club received cattleya plugs Christmas 2006 as gifts and were told this was the case. They looked like pretty nice little plants (and for free Christmas gifts who is complaining? - but in a year's time have not done much for any of us - several more years to go! Many of these plants sure have a way of teaching us patience, or showing how we have a lack thereof. Since most know I'm basically a phal guy I'll choose a trio of nbs phals bastianii equetris shilleriana Truthfully I can be happy with any of them - it will be fun to just be part of the group and participating and sharing experiences. |
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What it really all comes down to is what is the point of the project? Is it simply to all grow the same plant and compare every once in a while? Is it to try to draw some conclusions as to what culture is best for them? Is it to collectively grow a particular species and thereby gain some expertise with it? The answer may influence the choice of what to grow.
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It seems like more people want to grow a species. Seems like if that's what everyone wants to grow, why not? The list available in the oakhill wholesale hybrid list is short, and unappealing.
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Unfortunately I kind of agree with you AK - the hybrid list doesn't seem all the exciting to me either - that is why my choice are all species phals - none of which I have. If there were some more attractive hybrids available that would have probably been my first choice. Maybe we can do some research and find a good hybrid list to choose from for next year if it doesn't work out for this year. Kevin - the point of the project from my perspective it to enjoy the comradarie of growing the same plant together and find out what kind of culture and conditions work for a particular plant. Will it be a failure if we pick a species plant and two years later 15 are dead, 5 are near death and two are doing well - because it was a poor selection. No. We would have all learned something as long as we compare notes and enjoy the experience together. Does someone else see something different here? |
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My votes are: Phal schilleriana ( mottled leaf--ooooo!) Dend. chrysanthum- (too cute) Paph. delenatii (this one is SEEDLING SIZE, though) I'll be happy regardless. We'll all have something fun to talk about!
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I don't care, I just want an orchid
__________________ [color="Blue"]Jenny~ ![]() All things beautiful do not have to be full of color to be noticed: in life that which is unnoticed has the most power. |
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Jenny you are becoming as big an insomniac as I am. I want an orchid also. I wanted to add that I agree with what Mike said as the reason for the project, he put it perfectly. And yes the wholesale list is not quite what I was looking for, but it will work. I do have a couple of questions but I will address them later. My picks: Anguloa ruckeri Cattleya aurantiaca Paphiopedilum delenatii
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I was speaking more specificly to the wholesale "hybrid" list. It's very limited, and it seems like more people want to grow a species. Phalaenopsis bastianii Phalaenopsis schilleriana Phalaenopsis amboinensis
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Are you sure that all members here will receive a 20% discount? How would that work? Would each member be able to do their own ordering and receive the discount? Last edited by sandra; 03-16-2008 at 10:25 AM. |
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I think at this point we've seen a lot of suggestions given and they are all different. If we are now going to look at a different vendor, that means another set of Top choices. We could really be doing this for a long time to come. Perhaps a better plan would be to come up with our list of requirements for the chosen plant... present that to the vendors... get their plant suggestions and then vote. From what I've read in all the other posts our requirements are: 1. Low - Medium Light (or at least not HIGH light) 2. small - medium plant 3. bloom within the year ???? 4. something unusual 5. something that can easily be found globally 6. reasonably priced (with shipping) 7. 35-45 in stock (not sure what the member count is at) |
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Oak Hill Gardens is known primarily for their species plants. Of course, they carry a nice selection of hybrids, of which I have purchased many, but I didn't see much in the wholesale list. I received a Phal schilleriana from them as a gift from the Orchid Fest last September. It's very small and will take a long long time to mature to blooming. That's why I would prefer a more mature plant for this project. Also, I do not have ideal growing conditions for small seedlings and it takes a lot more of my time to keep them alive. I too would prefer a hybrid, but I understand the cost factor for those living outside the US. Just saw your post Viv: I agree Last edited by Sharyn; 03-16-2008 at 11:03 AM. Reason: add text |
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Parksid has every thing from in bloom, budding, to bloom size to chose from. (I should work for there advertising). They are a better chose then Oak hill from my point of view. Remember the old saying “a camel is a horse built by committee”. |
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Here's my picks: 1)Potinara Cameron's Magnetism 2)Encyclia belizensis 3)Aerangis biloba I also think hybrids might be a better choice, especially if some of us are going to be growing a genera that we've never done before. I would have more on my list, except the choice at Oakhill, like others have observed, is pretty minimal. And I had an idea...if we are concerned about getting a possible discount somewhere...why not have the payment submitted from each member through Paypal to one person who then orders them all and has them sent to each of us? It could be similar to the Donation function that we have here. Does that sound like a good idea to anybody, or might that be too much work for one person? |
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I have not read all the comments listed here but realize that many of them suggest that we now go for a bigger list, try different companies, etc. There may be a thousand different reasons to do something, anything, many of the are good, but I am sticking with Sandra. She picked a company, contacted them, got a price that we can live with, and asked us to pick plants from that list. As I see it, someone has taken the initiatve to coordinate this, and I for one appreciate it, but I just think that more suggestions will lead to more confusion on the parts of the participants. Lets get going with one persons leadership. David |
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Hmmm, guess it's not looking good for UK Geeks, unless we do a similar thing over here; i.e. pick a supplier, plant etc........ or the same plant........... also what about the Geeks in the rest of the world. Whatever we do, I'm sure we will all be watching your progress with an enormous amount of interest. |
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I agree with Hummer. We got a vendor, lets stick to it. If we don't we could be doing this forever. Also I agree with Tizzy. How easy are these hybrids going to be attainable across the world? Some of them probably aren't even across the borders yet, meaning that International Geeks couldn't be involved in the SAME project, which was the whole intention right? Everyone's involvement in the same thing? I say stay with Oak Hill. Most of these plants can be easily obtainable in the other countries.
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Okay folks, we are muddying up the waters here. I think we should stick with the vendor that we have chosen, and I am not saying this just because I like Oak Hill. I am willing to go to a different vendor, but I think that Sandra has already done the leg work, and the vendor decision was made. Might I suggest that like Mike says, make this an annual project, or every 6 month project. Vendor and list of plants decided, and a month before the project plant is to be bought we get an all in and vote from the list of plants. That way if you don't like the plants you don't have to sign up for the next round. Also, it gives members a chance to save the $ to do it especially if the vendor is a bit pricey. I was only not really thrilled with the wholesale list, and as cheap as Oak Hill is was thinking that we just take another look. Now I say go with the list and pick from it as this is getting frustrating to some of us that just want to have fun with this. I am sure that Sandra feels like a spinning top. For this project not everyone will be satisfied, and as it is the first time we are doing this on a forum with a TON of members, there will be bugs to work out. I say we let the decision get made, pick a plant, and if someone wants out no big deal. I also say, that we have a great place to get rid of the plant if we don't like it once we have it, because it can be sold or traded right here, on the forum. The new owner could then possibly be allowed into the threads for that particular project. The bugs can be worked out with this one, we can call it the pilot project for others to come, and even name a new project leader each time we do a new one, if wanted, and the previous leader can advise them. Okay, I hope that I have not offended anyone, as it is not my intention. I just would like to get a plant, and enjoy the camraderie and fun of a group growing project. We can do this!!
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In order to accomodate everyone in other countries, where members will be able to find the selected plant for the project, we're going to need to stick to SPECIES. Those whose choices included the following hybrids, need to amend their choices....pretty please. Blc. (Lc. Drumbeat ‘Heritage’ AM/AOS x Brassavola glauca) - Hybrid Paphiopedilum Barbilight = (Barbi Playmate x Nulight ‘Hamphshire’ HCC/AOS)- Hybrid Potinara Cameron's Magnetism 5" - Hybrid |
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I was very young when I brought up this suggested project. I've been aging rapidly. |
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Sandra, I don't want this to be anymore stressful than it needs to be for you and will be happy to follow the progress of the "pilot" project, here on the forum. Maybe as Mike says, see how this goes and then widen the net. |
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I will go with whatever all of you decide. My personal objective for this project is to maybe get a shove into growing an orchid I wouldn't normally choose for myself. I do think a species is great so all of us worldwide can participate. Let me know what to order and from who and I'll do it. And Sandra....your efforts are greatly appreciated!!! Projection!! Taken from what I have learned from the ongoing Epi Division Project: We are going to be amazed at how many different cultures and environments can be given to the same type orchid and still have it thrive. In fact, it's amazing how many different ways there ARE to grow an orchid!
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Even though I voted for Paphiopedilum delenatii, I noticed that it's listed as a seedling- NOT near blooming size. Just wanted to point that out, in case folks hadn't noticed....
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I vote for these three: Paph.Barbilight, Paph. Maudiae hybrid,Tolumnia variegata. I'd love to try almost any Paph and almost any Tolumnia
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So far, members outside of the U.S. haven't chosen their orchids. Please let me know if you're still interested in participating, as this might lead to a change in choices from species to hybrids. Thanks! Canadian Orchid Vendors: The Orchid House - Vendors of Orchid Plants and related material European Orchid Vendors: Orchid Vendors in the European Union Last edited by sandra; 03-16-2008 at 09:34 PM. |
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The only thing that the site says is "NOT BLOOMING SIZE." This could mean SEEDLING OR NEAR BLOOMING SIZE. Sandra, you might have to contact Oak Hill on that to confirm whether or not it is a seedling or NBS.
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| flowerchild, what Paphs have you got and how are you growing them?
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Here is a list of Orchid nurseries in the UK. Are we planning on getting the same one overall, or all UK members getting the same one? North of England Orchid Society - Nurseries in the UK |
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| LOTS OF SNAGS. I spoke with Oak Hills this morning and I hate, hate, hate to tell everyone BUT the list of plants we've been selecting from is not viable for this project. I'll begin by the first oversight which is their Wholesale Policy (the list we've been choosing from): "Prices listed on the catalog/website are retail. Wholesale pricing is 25% off of these retail prices when five (5) or more plants of a variety (species or grex) are ordered" This is not applicable when going to individual addresses. As well, it turns out that Oak Hill may not be able to guarantee that they have enough of these plants in stock to supply every member with. Oak Hill will help me in choosing a list of plants that meet our criteria. I am trying to keep the total costs down to, no higher than $25, including shipping. Shipping will cost $12.50. They are offering a $25% discount on plants priced at $16.00 or higher so, those costing $16 will work, bringing the total cost down for each member to approximately $25.00, no higher. A little ahead of myself here and will remind everyone after the poll is taken, that those members doing the ordering over the internet, will be charged the full price as they're entering all their credit information and will have the discounted price applied before the plant is shipped. On the good side......what's the hurry? It will all be defined and set in stone, so to speak, later today. I'll have the new list posted and we'll go from there. We will do a final vote by poll by this Friday and we can order the selected plant (finally) over the weekend. There will be no other changes, surprises, anything, once I get this list posted, tightly wrapped and ready to pick, vote, purchase.....and start the project. More to follow as soon as I know more. Last edited by sandra; 03-17-2008 at 11:20 AM. |
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Sandra - sorry if you feel misled. I DID GET AN EMAIL from a Greg at Oak Hill Gardens and HE DID say that we could order off the wholesale list at whole list prices ONE PLANT per shipping address plus $12.50 postage. I got two email responses to confirm this. You can remind them of this and use my email address if there is any value in doing so. HOWEVER, it looks like you have everything in hand presently so I will stay out of the picture and let you continue as you are. As is often the case when communicating - sometimes it seems just about any form (in writing or verbally) there are misunderstandings. Thanks for all your efforts and please don't stress over the details - as you have noted - no hurry - it will all work out OK................. |
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Mike, not to worry, no apologies necessary. I was not staying quite on top of things by confirming what their offer meant, exactly. I've compiled a far more extensive variety of species to choose from that will meet our criteria and have submitted it to Oak Hill. They will get back to me sometime today, tomorrow the latest, to confirm their inventory and guarantee that they will be able to supply as many members as we have for this project. There's a great variety of interesting plants in which we'll choose from, something that was not quite available in the first list we were working with. This will be far more interesting, I promise. Every plant on the list will not exceed $25.00 and as I mentioned, they will be offering a 25% discount on plants $16 and over which means any plant on the upcoming list, will not exceed our final costs of $25.00. These will be fair to medium or medium to warm growers. Light will be low to medium or medium to high Plant preference will be determined by a final vote/poll I'm hoping to have this all happen by Friday as I mentioned, when we can then move forward and start ordering. We'll have the forum for this project divided into sub-forums for easy navigating to keep abreast of everyone's progress. This is going to be fun! I can't wait for this to be fun.....so far, it's been a headache....my fault by not tightening up on the full picture. This has all changed now. More to come..... |
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Just a little suggestion....you might want to give a little more time for people to respond to the final list of orchids to choose from. For those that work they might not even get to see it until the weekend. Monday or later might be a better deadline, and a couple of days longer to order our plants won't make a difference.
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