FrangiPoni/Plumeria

[danandita]

another collection..

[pikevi]

danandita: Both pictures are excellent. I have not seen more than one row of petals in any picture I have seen anywhere!

Your second one has so many flowers that it appears to be like a bouquet!

Thanks for the photos.

[Gladys47]

Zonepusher.... I stuck one of the white that I have plenty of in a glass of water in the sun. I am getting cottage cheese nubbins! When to pot? Please oh please, save me from myself.;-}

[LeftCoastAngler]

Originally Posted by danandita

Hi.
This is one of my collection, it has 10 petals. Local people here call it roses plumeria.

VeryNice danandita! That's something I haven't seen... How's the scent? It does have the rose leaf structure! VeryNice; Indeed.

[LeftCoastAngler]

Here's a nicely shaped one I ran up on in TierreVerde, over by FortDesoto in St.Pete:

[pikevi]

What a beautiful plant, LeftCoastAngler. Don't they bloom year-round in warmer climates?

Thanks.

[LeftCoastAngler]

Originally Posted by pikevi

What a beautiful plant, LeftCoastAngler. Don't they bloom year-round in warmer climates?

Thanks.

I'm in the TampaBay area, and they generally go into dormancy here aswell... Not for long, but they do... It's coming up as the cooler season approaches...
But further South, say in like the Keys, or even PuertoRico they may just flower year round... There are some strains though that do thrive year round and won't shed any leaves...

~LCA.

[LeftCoastAngler]

It's gonna be cold here in SWFL tonight! In the 40s fer my area... Brrrrr... Just got done covering tropicals with sheets and blankies...

Frost Warnings for the StrawBerryGrowers... Sprinklers will be on 'em all night...

[pikevi]

Would 40F adversely affect your plumerias? I hope the cold is just a passing thing.

We were down to -15C (5F) a couple of days ago but have begun to warm up. Next Monday we will be up to 6C (43F): and the following Thursday we will be again down to about -17C (>1F).

We will survive these fluctuations, heheehehehe

Good luck with protecting your plants. I hope they will be alright tomorrow.

[LeftCoastAngler]

Originally Posted by pikevi

We were down to -15C (5F) a couple of days ago but have begun to warm up. Next Monday we will be up to 6C (43F): and the following Thursday we will be again down to about -17C (>1F).

Wow. You're a real soldier. I dunno how ya'll can do it!

~LCA.

[LeftCoastAngler]

Look what the 30degree freezing two nights did last week to my 'ScottPratt' red: She took a serious hit. Both tips are all mushy lookin' and starting to mold... I'm wondering if I should whack it off and apply some cutting seal to ward off any more infection?

~LCA.

[pikevi]

I am so sorry about what happened to it. Would it help to cut off the frost-bitten area and apply some thing to prevent dehydration? I am sure it will survive.

Good luck.

[Gladys47]

I've heard different methods about that, Some sat cut it to good wood at a slant. Let it dry a day or so and put latex caulk to seal. Some say let it dry up naturally and it will fall off and branch.I usually leave it alone till it falls off unless I see signs of spreading, in which case I cut immediatly. Gladys
PS. Sorry about your plant. I feel your pain!

[Gladys47]

Remember waaaay back when on page 2 when I put those branches in water to root? I ended up with 5 in all. Well they are still there. They have't rotted , and they haven't rooted! I had such a horrible year with rooting last year . Now it is January. February is our winter month! I don't know what to do. Leave them, pot them, or take them out and store them till spring and start over? I am becoming so discouraged. I used toroot these things with no problem at all. Now I have 2 more 18" to 24" limbs that I ha to remove from my large plant yesterday because the high winds we've been having we're brushing them against the fence.I was afraid they would break off and I wouldn't fnd them. I'm just going to send them to Florida colors I think?( I'm a little stubborn) But PLEASE what to do with the ones in water for forever? I can't afford to send them all off. I'm still not workingand that wouldn't be fair to DH tho he'd never say a word, I'd feel guilty as all heck! Any ideas? Tanks, Gladys

[LeftCoastAngler]

Originally Posted by Gladys47

Now I have 2 more 18" to 24" limbs that I ha to remove from my large plant yesterday because the high winds we've been having we're brushing them against the fence.I was afraid they would break off and I wouldn't fnd them. I'm just going to send them to Florida colors I think?( I'm a little stubborn) But PLEASE what to do with the ones in water for forever? I can't afford to send them all off. I'm still not workingand that wouldn't be fair to DH tho he'd never say a word, I'd feel guilty as all heck! Any ideas? Tanks, Gladys

Why not root them yourself? Cutting Gel or RootHormone and some not fert'd soil would do the job. Probably be ready for Spring.

~LCA.

[Gladys47]

LCA, you are so right! But as I said I had a horrible year rooying plummies. I have more cuttings now. I just packed them in perlite til spring. They,ve got me running scared now. So many lost last year. You think I should pot up the ones still in water? They are still goood and firm cuttings. got cottage cheese nubs once then the just went away. The cuttings are still good tho. Should I just pot up now and keep under lights til warm weather. Like I said, I have been having horrible luck with these this year. I just dont understand. It's usually so easy for me. I thought of just storing in perlite til spring. I can't make up my mind what to do. And one is my only cutting of the plastic pink.If someone could help me save these I would gladly send you a cutting of it and my NOID yellow and white! I'm just desperate and worried about them! They've been in water in the sun since summer! Thats a long time! Too many decisions. I need to do something tho! Gladys

[LeftCoastAngler]

I personally, myself wouldn't continue water rooting, or whatever you've been doing... These plants are succulents, thus their water retention levels are high amongst the stalks and branches... In the wild these trees are very drought tolerant, and require almost no watering.

I'd just stick them sticks in some un fert'd soil! What would be even better would be a grow light type fixture or something. I used a 150watt outdoor light and it worked like magic. I had noticable roots in 2 weeks! Just left it in the garage on a timer for 18 hours on 6 hours off... Didn't notice it at all on my electric bill.

~LCA.

[Gladys47]

I'll try it! Cross your fingers for me. I have been killing plummies all year! Gladys

[LeftCoastAngler]

I had to whack my ScottPratt. The two damaged branches went further down, so I had to cut it off at the pass... After the cut I could clearly tell it was a gone'r. There was no 'meat' in the branches. I guess rotted away? I dunno. Super soft, unlike the hardwood type feel of a healthy one... I wonder what it'll look like next Spring...

~LCA.

[LeftCoastAngler]

The Frangi's are coming to life...

~LCA.

[Chele]

Wow, those look wonderfully healthy! I love them as well. I have them all over my yard. I wasn't here when you got the frost bite and since this thread is so long I didn't read each reply, but if it should happen again and depending on how large the 'stalk' is, you can always take a center cut, as long as its clean and you mark it some how to make sure the right end goes in the ground.

It sells for such a high price - and I don't know why. and I am always cutting mine back. I know peeps at work who want it so when I'm trimming and taking large branches off, I cut them to abpit 14 -16in cuttings, making sure (when I am taking a center cut) that it is marked which end goes in the ground/which end is up. I don't root them at all. I stick them in the ground either the raw cutting or a healed one and leave it alone. It does find all by itself.

Recently I did some trimming on my plumeria about 3 weeks ago. I wanted to get them cleaned up before they wake up, altho you can cut them at any time. I have a couple different kinds, so as I cut them I lay them at the base of the trunk so not to mix them up. I gave most of the nice pieces away and had not decided if I was going to keep a few (not so nice looking) stalks that remained. They are just laying on top of the mulch waiting for me to decide something. Going out there last week, I noticed two of the stalks are flowering -- no leaves yet, but I sure have the flowers. The darn thing is acting like an air plant. Who knew? That one took the cake for me.

[pikevi]

Those little stumps are expensive here too. But more than that they are very hard to come by.

Mine are showing some new growth after almost 6 months of inactivity. The outside temperature is still low and at nights is still below 5C (40F).

They are all still inside.

I think it will be wonderful to stand under a tree when it is in bloom. The fragrance will be overwhelming , I guess.

[flowerchild]

Pikevi- are they ever expensive, I found them at Belgium Nursery on the way to Guelph, they want $23.00 for a small piece. The one fellow said if they root 20 they may only get six that take.

[pikevi]

Yes, flowerchild.

I bought 3 stumps at the home and garden show. Each was being sold at $20 or 3 for $50. I ,of course , opted for the latter- just for the saving All seem to be doing ok. the leaves are small and some come out and fall off. I hope I can take them out after the 28th inst.

(I think the temp. is dropping very low on that day.)

The one I have had for almost two years is almost 4-foot tall and has dropped all leaves but still hard and green. I hope it will do ok when I bring it outdoor.

I will have to come that way soon to get a few Phrag. kovachii.

I will check out the Belgium nursery as well.

Thanks.

[LeftCoastAngler]

[patticake]

How pretty! I love plumeria, but I can't keep them here. No room inside during the winter.

[pikevi]

wow, very pretty.

And flowers before the leaves on the red one? That is a bit odd,isn't it?

I see a few buds on my little ones coming out of dormancy but I am not sure if thy will open.

patticake: yes I find it hard to find room for them in winter too. One Plumeria is almost 4 feet tall.

[Greenhouse Gal]

I love plumeria. I just got some mixed seed and have about 65% germination so far. One thing I like about them is if you let them be dry and cool you can store them in the dark for the winter. They must stay above freezing, but 40's should be ok in winter. (Barely heated garage or spare room) No water. They lose all leaves but otherwise just sit there and wait for you to warm them up in the spring. I have a NOID white/yellow plant. Lots of leaves, no blooms yet this season, but bloomed very well last year so soon, i hope. I brought it into a greenhouse when I was tiered of a green stick in the house in very early spring.

[LeftCoastAngler]

[solay]

I use to grow some from cuttings I bought from Hawaii. They did well and bloomed but the winter took them. I'm not for keeping plants indoors. Especially when not in bloom. Anyhow, I think I might try them again in the GH.

By the way, Burmese people eat the yellow and white plumeria flowers by adding them to a type of salad. Never tried it. Sounds yummy?

[LeftCoastAngler]

[solay]

Very nice LeftCoastAngler! I love the pure clean white. I'm always picking plumerias off the ground when I'm in Hawaii or the Philippines. They are always bruised and browning though. Nice to see it so perfect and white. Beautiful!!!

[berkeleysgr8]

Hmmm... I live in Northern Cali. I'd have to bring these in during winter when the frost hits. I wonder if I could keep one alive. I'll have to do some research. I did see Plumeria on Ebay a couple years ago. There were some GORGEOUS varieties!

[pikevi]

Beautiful flowers,LeftCoastAngler.

My white one is fairly big but it hasn't started to show any new growth yet.It is still hard and green and I brought it out only 2 days ago.

I hope I will have some flowers soon with plenty of fragrance.

Thanks for the pictures.

[LeftCoastAngler]

It's the least I can do until I get my orchids up to par. I haven't got the knack quite yet for orchid growing... Maybe some pics to come in the help area are in store... I'm sure someone here can help what ails them... I'm beginning to think they need less light than what I'm providing them with...

~LCA.

[LeftCoastAngler]

My most recent addition kicks it up a notch... Bonsai'd Plumeria!

[pikevi]

Hi LeftCoastAngler,

That is cute. I had had not heard of a bonsai Plumeria until today.

I have been looking for a bonsai apple (Malus) and a pomegranate (Punica), but I have not found them locally yet.

My Plumerias are growing well and I will post the pictures soon.

I hope the bonsai Plumeria flowers will have the fragrance too.

[frostychic]

I have one at our Jamaica vacation house that I got as a cutting off of a tree a few blocks from us... the tree has white flowers.

I stuck it in a pot of dirt and asked our gardner to keep an eye on it to see if it would "catch" ... once it showed leaf growth then I planted it on one of my trips to JA. It started out as approx. a 10" cutting and it is currently nearly 5 foot tall. I think I got this last year in April???

The original tree that I got the cutting from was probably over 20ft. tall and the owner said that as part of it's process it sheds all of it's leaves and looks like a dead, barren tree of twigs... then it blooms.

I saw the original tree in bloom (not knowing what it is) and then I stopped another time to ask what it was called and was given a piece of it to try.

I'm super excited to see it bloom and have it in the orchid flower garden.

What colors does a frangi poni bloom besides white?

I don't think i took a photo of it this last trip but it is an odd looking specimen it is just one straight stalk that is light to medium green with lots and lots of leaves coming straight of the fat stalk... I'm assuming it will branch at some point...

[frostychic]

I forgot to mention that when that 20ft tree was in bloom it was spectacular.

[Greenhouse Gal]

Plumeria, as you have seen, blooms at the ends of branches. At some point after the blooms start developing the plant branches from a point just below the blooms, usually three branches at each point.

As to color, just about any color you can imagine (maybe not green). See this site for a long list of varieties. Buy online - Australia's Best Frangipani / Plumeria - Rare and Exceptional Varieties

Another good photo gallery is here: Plumeria People Image Galery #1

[LeftCoastAngler]

Here's a big'un taken in Hawaii... I poached this from the internet somewhere... Just goes to show that they eventually grow into trees...

~LCA.

Edit] Image deleted as admitted by LeftCoastAngler Quote] I poached this from the internet somewhere

[Greenhouse Gal]

To avoid poaching, I will set up a few links to some really great pictures of Plumeria.

This page, from Plants of Hawaii, has lots of photos. Some show whole trees, some flowers in many colors, some birds found in and around the Plumeria.
Plumeria rubra - plumeria, frangipani (Apocynaceae) - Plants of Hawaii - Images

This one is a really nice PDF written by The College of Tropical Agriculture and Human Resources at the University of Hawaii, Manoa. It is titled Plumeria in Hawaii. It has a culture section, a sort of key to varieties and then pictures and descriptions of many varieties.
http://www.ctahr.hawaii.edu/oc/freepubs/pdf/OF-31.pdf

Enjoy!

[Danelady]

I was give 2 plumeria last fall. A friend had started several from seeds. She thought she'd only get a few to grow. She ended up w/so many she was giving them away!! I had hoped they'd bloom this past summer, but they did not. I think I read somewhere that they usually will bloom when they are about 3 years old??? Maybe this summer!? She had planted several varieties so I have no idea what they will look like. The leaves are a little different on each plant so I guess I have 2 different ones! They grew a lot over the summer. Next spring before I put them outside again I am going to repot them. By the end of the summer this year they blew over quite often because they were getting too top heavy!
Here's a photo from the spring.


Here's one from the fall just before I brought them inside. You really can't tell here how tall they have gotten.

[Greenhouse Gal]

Those look like really nice healthy seedlings. Good Growing!
Did you let them go dormant over that first winter? I have a large batch of seedlings right now that I am trying to figure out if I should let them go dormant or try to keep them growing and maybe see blooms a little sooner.

[Danelady]

I gave them minimal water and care. I did not put them in total dark or with hold water totaly. They lost most of their bottom leaves, but continued to slowly add new ones. I'm doing the same this year. They are infront of the sliding glass door so they get plenty of light and I am watering just enough to keep them from wilting. I may put them in a differnt location this spring when I put them out. I had read that they need a minimum of 6 hrs direct sun to bloom. There are trees shading my deck and by mid/late summer I don't think they were getting that much sun.

[LeftCoastAngler]

the WWW is public record.

You all should get to know some federal laws. There's nothing wrong with posting pics that weren't taken from YOUR camera. Everything on here is Public Record. Especially here in FL. Are your states laws different? or is this just this forums rule? if so, someone needs a life... - go garden.

~LCA.

[fred]

If you have a complaint LCA bring this to me via a pm and not on the open forum