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You can always just buy the ready made stuff - PharmSolutions, cinnamon flavor. It works great and isn't too pricey at $12.95 a quart. It is very similiar to Brookes recipe but it has cottonseed oil in it as well to help suffocate the little buggers. Do any of you remember the craze of turning an egg to rubber by putting it into a jar of vinegar for MONTHS???? I used to be so easily entertained! Chemistry was one of my favorite subjects in college and I thought I would hate it.
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its great for pests but don't spray it on flowers it killed my phallanopsis flowers oh pink leopard pattern you will be missed..... a lot
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I've never sprayed it on the blooms, sorry to hear that it aborted the blooms.
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I have some sort of unidentified bugs living on my den/phal's surface roots and I'm thinking of trying the cinnamon solution. The den is potted in PrimeAgra (semi-hydroponic), and it's in full bloom right now (50+ flowers!), so I'm a little worried about treating it. (I've never had so many blooms before...I'm like afraid to breathe on it!) Is this safe to use for an orchid in bloom? (So long as I don't get it on any of the flowers, obviously.) Also, should I spray, or soak, or just pour the solution on the roots? I'm kind of hesitant to soak it since it's semi-hydro, since it's not an organic medium, the whole pot would be filled with drenched with the solution and that kind of worries me. Do you need to rinse afterwords? Also, how long should I treat? (I know, you can't really tell unless you know what kind of pest it is...I'll have to take some pictures tomorrow in the daytime so someone can identify these things.) |
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Hello Lissbirds and welcome to the forum! ![]() I wouldn't spray it on the flowers. For flowers and buds I use wormtea and it does a pretty good job and doesn't harm blooms or buds. As for the plant itself submerging the pot and letting it soak is best. This will not hurt the plant. Let it soak for a few. I've even let mine soak for hours without any ill effects. This also goes for my plants that are in S/H. You do have to rinse the medium afterwards. Spray the plant for what buggers is on there, except for the buds and blooms, and rinse the medium when finished. You don't have to wash the plant off. ![]() Hope this helps.
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Thanks, Jenny, for the warm welcome! I'll give that a try when I can get out to the store and find that cinnamon extract. I was watering today and found those little bugs on two other orchids, which were also outside over the summer! Also glad to hear I'm not the orchid enthusiast growing in S/H. |
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I happen to have cinnamon oil (medicinal quality) on hand and not only made your concoction but used it. I did a little experiment - very little. I sprayed other 'bug killers' I have on a few little critters and waited. They ended up going about their business. I used the: 10 drops of detergent 1.8 ml of cinnamon extract 16 ounces of filtered water on both previously sprayed bugs which were unaffected by my other 'bug killers' and I used it on bugs which had not been strayed with anything. INSTANT DEATH. I have already given away enough of this concoction to have used up all my cinnamon extract which was 29 ml (1 ounce). I will go out and purchase more extract and hide it in a safety deposit box. THE BEST INSECTICIDE I HAVE EVER USED and so far I have not seen any photo-sensitivity. ![]() You meant it when you said - "NO JOKE" ___________________________________ EDIT: Although I will continue to use this as it, no doubt, works like a dream for its intended purpose... - The new, more tender leaves and thin leaves of my Phaius foliage and the foliage of similar thinness on other orchids and houseplants are turning black. This is happening to both plants I have under fluorescent lights and natural daylight indoors. I may need to tweak the formula a bit. Or at the very least wait and see how far any damage to foliage may go. ___________________________________ “It is pleasant at times to play the madman.” – Seneca (5 BC – 65 AD) Last edited by CulpableCaptive; 03-13-2009 at 02:09 PM. |
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It does the trick! And very well! PLus it smells grreeeaaatttt!
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Cinnamon extract can also be found in the health suppliments section. I had no luck finding it on spice racks but found a bottle at Vitamin Shoppe. The GNC I checked do not carry it but some other might. Hope this help. I am using it tonight on my plant but the mites are all over the blooms, not sure what I should do to get rid of those critters, since I do not have worm tea. |
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Intereresting!!! Got a question though. After spraying the foliage and spagnum moss with the above recipe, do i need to hose down the the plants after? Thanks Jeff |
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Hi I live in Singapore and can't find cinnamon extract in the stores here. I intend to get a friend to purchase from the US and send it over. Question 1. Is Cinnamon extract a powdered form or liquid form? 2. I was searching the net and found that Mccormick brand carries the cinnamon extract. Can i purchase this? What other brands are there in the US so that I can give the right instructions to my friend. Thanks heaps Jeff |
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Jeff read this thread Cinnamon is a desiccant A member, Ray, describes how to use the powdered form of cinnamon to add to any liquid solution you make. There is no reason to spend the extra $$$$$ to have the liquid shipped to you. Brooke |
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Hey, when you say you soaked the plant.....are you talking about the entire plant or just or just the potted portion......I'm about to bring some plants inside....before I do I want to repot and make sure I'm not bringing in any outside critters. What do you suggest?
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Soak the whole plants leaves n all. After i take the plant out of it I usually run r/o water through the pot to rinse any soap residue. And I water them before hand. But if you are repotting them, just unpot and put the plant in it roots n all, if thre is an buggs you will see them fleeing for their lives if they are visible ones. I usually take a cotton ball or q-tip and clean the leaves while I am at it.
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Thanks Kid A..........The winter here in Austin gets just cold enough that you don''t want to leave your plants outside and quite honestly......I think I'm ready to start growing a lot of them indoors now..........this was a great post and I'm glad that it's simple and natural.
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Yesterday I used this recipie to douse all the S/H plants which were showing teeny tiny silvery bugs swiming on the surface when I watered them. (holding holes again), then put a bit more clean water on the top to flush out the bodies, then let drain and watered through intil I figured all soapy media was washed out. I suspect that they may be mealybugs, since I have been seeing more and more of these on my plants (in onesies and twosies and cleaning each time, but still getting more) but I don't really care who they are, as long as they go away. I have also soaked some of the plants in bark approximately the same way (using cottage cheese containers and bowls to hold the water level up). I check my plants every few days, so will let you know if the pests are gone next time I water. With all the information in this thread, and the number of times I have used it, I would like to vote that it be made a sticky so people can find it up at the top.... Please?
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Yes, I also vote this be a sticky. Here is what I used, and it's been working great on the false spider mites. I have been retreating my plant as I see hatchings from eggs which aren't killed or eggs that were missed, I think. I did not soak the plant. for a 32 oz bottle: 1 ml cinnamon essential oil (totally different from the extract) 15 drops dishsoap 1 tsp 70% rubbing alcohol the rest tepid water
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I have now made this a "sticky".
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I just recieved about 1,000 worth of infested orchids from my father, who is an avid colllector. He said they have "scale" and "mealy bugs"??? Im not real sure what either are, or how to get rid of. I read somewhere to make a mixture (1pt.) of 1/2 water 1/2 rubbing alcohol, and 1tsp. of dish soap. Is this the correct procedure? What can I do to salvage these beautys? Please help! I dont have a lot of money to spend on them, I sure would like to bring them back though>? Is it possible. New orchid owner..........
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Mealybugs look like tiny wads of greyish spiderweb or cotton to me. Scale looks like brown bumps. Both are bugs that can harm your orchids. In my opinion, you'll need more time and attention than money to try and get rid of these bugs -- so yes, you have a good chance, if you want to! It's time consuming because they're really good at hiding and you'll often have to retreat in case eggs survive after the adults are dead. If you have any other orchids or houseplants that are not infested, I'd immediately separate them from these so they don't get infested. I used brooken's recipe in this thread when I had a mealybug infestation (that's actually how I found this forum!). I watered the plants, took them out of their potting mix, and put them in large tupperwares with some of the recipe and shook them around until I was sure the mixture got everywhere. Then I rinsed them off really really well. I had to repeat this a couple more times with a week or so in between. If I'd had more patience, I probably could have retreated with a q-tip and rubbing alcohol, as long as I was very careful to check every nook and cranny. (This wasn't particularly gentle on the orchids, but my infestation was bad and none of them were in bloom. All seem to have survived the process so far.) Here's a thread on mealy bugs, if you want more information. And here's a thread on scale. A Google image search should bring up lots of pictures to help you identify which is which. Good luck! It will probably take a while to solve, but if you keep at it you can succeed. Last edited by bibliofloris; 01-23-2010 at 04:34 AM. Reason: Edited for clarity. |
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I did succeed with scale by removing any visible ones with a cotton bud soaked in Methelated Spirit. I do realise this is not an option if you have hundreds of infected plants.
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This whole thread has given me the creeps. I am scared to death of roaches...ewwwww! Jenny you are one brave woman!
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LOL ![]() I'm creeped out that you actually read this whole thread. ![]() This thread has gotten so big I'm surprised that it hasn't sprouted legs and started walking.
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In one little pot--with a paphiopedilum I'd just bought--I once found: --A heap of potting medium 2 feet wide. --3 snails --many many little brown bugs (fungus gnat larvae??) --a centipede (!) All in one little pot. Repotted it gingerly, but afterward, the poor ork died. I think it was my own fault, because I avoided it, not wanting more critter encoiunters. Next time, it's Brookn's remedy! |
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It stuns the rest of them. I guess that's just enough to hurry up and squish them.
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I dunk my pots. You can do either or. I guess it would depend on convenience.
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So, before I repot my new phal, I guess I will do the dunk just to be on the safe side/ This may sound absolutely stupid, but I just wanted to verify that this will in no way cause any harm to the orchid itself.. and also, do I thoroughly rinse after to remove all the soapy residue, or is it ok if it just dries out like that?? thanks!
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I usually soak between a half hour to an hour and then rinse really well. I keep a spray bottle with the stuff handy. it's a great wash for the leaves and controls the little buggers.
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Wormtea. If I'm not using this I use wormtea and it won't hurt the flowers. UNLESS they are white blooms. It might tinge them.
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when i visited Australia, as a uni student, (long time ago now), staying in hostels, etc. i became used to dealing with critters in your bed, etc. however, my most memorable bug experience was up towards Cairns, where the room had slatted doors - there was no keeping the bugs out anyway and you need the breezes during very hot nights and days. anyway, i remember us sweeping the roaches out of our room every evening before going to bed, cuz they were to big to squish -- seriously they made the biggest, gross-ist sound if you stepped on them cuz they were twice as big as our one dollar coin (called a loonie with a picture of a loon on one side). so sweeping em out seemed the best way to go. yuck! i haven't thought about this for a long time. April
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I spray routinely every couple of weeks or so as maintenence. It can be used as often as you want as it does not harm the plants.
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I thought I read somewhere they used a Phospherus free - Morning Fresh? I just checked my Morning fresh dish soap and it is Phospherus free.
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Hi jenny, Question about the worm tea.... Are you using a purchased bottle type or home made? Just wondering becaus I'm not sure if the kind you buy is clear or not vs. Homemade is tea color and will (if using homemade) spot up blooms and plant because of its color? If home made is ok and its gets splotchy (is that a word? Its underlined lol) what do I use to clean up the leaves that is safe to use? because for dust I'm using a fluffy feather duster very gently. Thank you, Emmaye
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Tried the "Best Stuff Evah" on my Onc. cheirophorum seedling in s/h. It was getting that light reddish brown rot that likes to creep along the leaves and p'bulbs. This stuff stopped it cold. I think it's saved. ![]() Thanks Brooke. Paula |
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I have some mites on one of my orchids use to have them on all of them I am spraying it with neem oil is that good stuff or is there somthing better. Just starting here have 5 now. appreciate all the help I can get
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so basically you just spray the plant with this stuff? and you can use any kind of dish soap? and can you use just regular tap water? so soap is ok to use on orchids?
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[QUOTE=Shannara;225679]Cinnamon powder isn't the same thing...you need cinnamon oil and I can never find it. Good luck... Shann~[/QUOTE) I found cinnamon extract at safeway grocery store. It should be carried by most chain grocery stores on the spice isle usually kept same area as vanilla extract up top shelf area above all the powder spices. McCormick is the brand we find this area (most common brand) Emmaye
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The cinnamon extract is a liquid, commonly found in the spice section of a store. I believe it has an alcohol base. Many geeks have found it at Walmart, oddly.
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I skimmed through this thread so forgive me if this question has already been answered. Will this recipe work for mealy bugs? I have an infestation and I've been fighting them with insect spray and insecticidal soap but they still keep coming. I've only managed to slow them down but not eliminate them even though I'm spraying every 2 days. Will this spray help?
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Mrs. Greens and Whole Foods sell it. I've used it for years as a spray. I mix in a small sprayer: 4 drops of Cinnamon Oil Extract approx 1/2 cup rubbing alcohol Couple squirts of Dawn dish soap approx tbs Canola Oil Fill the rest of the bottle with warm water and shake. Works on scale and fungal problems too. Cinnamon oil has been used by orchid growers for fungal issues for many years. The spray is great on spider mites. I use it for houseplants that get mites over winter. |
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From a chemical standpoint, would this still work if I used antibacterial hand soap? Still phosphate free, and has the same concentration of Triclosan as antibacterial dish soap. And as far as making your own cinnamon extract- member Ray has two other ways to make it that are detailed on his site: First Rays' Home Remedies "Spray: You can prepare a cinnamon spray using either alcohol or water as your solvent. The alcohol infusion is faster to prepare, and offers some insecticidal properties as well. This is my preferred method, and has been effective at eliminating all sorts of fungus problems, including damping-off of deflasked seedlings. Put 2 tablespoons (30 ml) of cinnamon powder in a pint (500 ml) of isopropyl rubbing alcohol. Shake well and let stand overnight. Filter the solution to remove the sediment (coffee filters work well), and use the brown liquid as a spray. (While it's not a big problem for most orchid growers, I've heard that this is good for powdery mildew, as well.) or Put the cinnamon powder in hot water. Shake well and let stand for several days. Filter and use as above. (Some feel that the alcohol can be too desiccating when used on seedlings.)" However, I wonder if the cinnamon extract bought in stores is the essential oil, that is primarily made up of cinnamaldehyde. If so, I am not sure if the vodka solution or those detailed above would be the same thing.
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The recipe in the first post works like a charm! Holy cow! Mealy bugs are gone. It took several treatments but it worked. And someone asked if antibacterial soap would work and the answer to that is yes because I used Palmolive antibacterial dish soap in my spray. I live in a very old house and it tends to be buggy. I have actually started using this spray around the windows and other areas of the house where I have some bug issues and it seems to be working. Great stuff!!
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Ok, I found the extract and used it when repotting. I soaked the roots after unpotting and cleaning. It seemed like some were using the same batch to dunk more than one plant when repotting? I mxed a fresh batch for each plant. Is that necessary? |
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You can use the mixture as a drench; that is, pouring it over the roots rather than soaking them, and the mixture will go farther. After dipping one orchid in it, dipping another in the same solution would be risky.
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I had one phal that I suspected to be the root of my mealy bug problem. It had the worst infestation so I decided to repot it. I removed it from the pot, threw away all the potting material and I sat the plant in the sink and used the sprayer to hose it down good with lukewarm water. Then I sprayed it really good with the cinnamon spray, roots and all. I know some of you mention that you put it on the roots too. I put the plant in new potting medium in a new pot and it basically died. There is the newest green leaf left and that's it and I'm not sure if its going to survive. Would the cinnamon spray on the roots have done this? I wouldn't think so since powdered cinnamon is used on roots. Maybe the soap int the mix? The plant didn't look bad at all before I did this. Did I just shock it too much? I was going to do this to all the plants that had the bugs because I couldn't seem to get rid of them completely. Now I'm not sure that I should. Any thoughts?
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Sashabear, Maybe the compounding effect of soap and cinnamon.Please wash off with water and maybe repotting will help.I use cinnamon powder on cuts only. |
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Various things could have gone wrong....from maybe you mixed the solution incorrectly...to using a soap that's way to caustic...to yes, the cinnamon could have dessicated the roots...to the possibility of the solution not being rinsed off well enough...to the plant was already on it's way out and the whole experience ended up being that proverbial straw. Or maybe any one of a dozen other reasons. Too many variables involved so there's no way to give you a definitive answer as to what went wrong. I do know plenty of people use the mix on roots...I've soaked plants in it myself and never had a problem.
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