Cattleya seeds

[phytogems]

I just received cattleya seeds from a friend in USA. Anybody, an experienced flaskers can share his/her ideas as to what sowing medium I will prepare for these seeds.
I prepared sowing medium made of Distilled Water, Soluble 20-20-20 Ferlizer, Banana puree, Multi-vitamin pill, Sugar, Agar and Finely crushed charcoal. Any comment or recommendation? Please help.

[digitalgate]

try Philippines department of agriculture. They should have a department that germinate the seed for you at a fee of course.

[phytogems]

Good for you, orchid concerned has a part in your government activities. Here in the Philippines, we have many species yet none from the government has the concerned to propagate it. If you want to know you have to go to school at your own expense. Thats the reason why I join this forum to konw more for FREE. Thank you anyway for your advise.

[digitalgate]

there should also have private company that will germinate the seed for you at a fee also.

[orchids4me]

Did you read doodlekittys thread here in the forum ? I don't think catts was one of the flasking projects but its very informative for first time doing this .... Check it out.

[kmarch]

Originally Posted by phytogems

I just received cattleya seeds from a friend in USA.

Originally Posted by phytogems

...we have many species yet none from the government has the concerned to propagate it. ...

I sincerely hope that the pod that was sent to the Philippines form the US wasnt' a cattleya species. If it was, CITES laws were broken.

[willowbanks]

She'll be right Kevin, Cattleya orchids are CITES2 and there are no restrictions on posting the seeds from the US.

I just hope they were sent as dry seed with no part of the pod.

Bill

[berniep]

G'Day Phytogems

You might find this interesting reading flasking.stemprop
A Bit old but still interesting
or flasking.stemprop
Cheers
Bernie

[kmarch]

Originally Posted by willowbanks

She'll be right Kevin, Cattleya orchids are CITES2

Cattleya species? I knew that hybrids had been reclassified under CITES and no longer needed the documentation but species? Wow, maybe I need to get current on my CITES knowledge.

[kip]

Kevin, only the following species are listed under Appendix I:
Aerangis ellisii
Dendrobium cruentum
Laelia jongheana
Laelia lobata
Peristeria elata
Renanthera imschootiana
all Paphiopedilum species
all Phragmipedium species
Appendix I requires CITES certificates for all parts of the plant, including seeds and flasks.

all other orchids species are listed under Appendix II, which does not cover orchid seeds, pollen or flasks

if I'm not mistaken, hybrids are still listed under Appendix I if they contain any Appendix I species, or Appendix II if they do not.

[willowbanks]

Kip, I think we must be reading from different Websites, dry orchid seed is not covered by CITES, only the whole or any part of the seed pod is covered.

At the last CITES Plants Committee meeting held in Buenos Aires (Argentina), 17-21 March 2009, the United States has asked for seed pods to also be exempt.

Link to the proposal,
http://www.cites.org/eng/com/PC/18/E-PC18-11-04.pdf

Kevin, you can't be up to date with every thing in this game, you have enough on your plate answering the hard questions that are the corner stone for the Website.

Bill

[Anton]

BTW, do you know that from seed, it will take around 6 to 7 years for Catts to flower ?

A long time.

[kip]

Originally Posted by willowbanks

Kip, I think we must be reading from different Websites, dry orchid seed is not covered by CITES, only the whole or any part of the seed pod is covered.

According to the Appendices listed on cites.org, flasks of Appendix I species are exempt (I was wrong about that). There is no exemption for seed of Appendix I species:

(For all of the following Appendix-I species, seedling or tissue cultures obtained in vitro, in solid or liquid media, transported in sterile containers are not subject to the provisions of the Convention)

the new version of Appendix I (scheduled to go into effect June 23, 2010) has a slightly different wording (again no exemption for seed):

(For all of the following Appendix-I species, seedling or tissue cultures obtained in vitro, in solid or liquid media, and transported in sterile containers are not subject to the provisions of the Convention only if the specimens meet the definition of ‘artificially propagated’ agreed by the Conference of the Parties)

Appendix II has additional exemptions:

All parts and derivatives, except:
a) seeds, spores and pollen (including pollinia);
b) seedling or tissue cultures obtained in vitro, in solid or liquid media, transported in sterile containers;
c) cut flowers of artificially propagated plants; and
d) fruits and parts and derivatives thereof of artificially propagated plants of the genus Vanilla.

the new version of Appendix II (scheduled to go into effect June 23, 2010) still has an exemption for seeds, and adds an exemption for seedpods:

All parts and derivatives, except:
a) seeds (including seedpods of Orchidaceae), spores and pollen (including pollinia). The exemption does not apply to seeds from Cactaceae spp. exported from Mexico, and to seeds from Beccariophoenix madagascariensis and Neodypsis decaryi exported from Madagascar;
b) seedling or tissue cultures obtained in vitro, in solid or liquid media, transported in sterile containers;
c) cut flowers of artificially propagated plants;
d) fruits and parts and derivatives thereof of naturalized or artificially propagated plants of the genus Vanilla (Orchidaceae) and of the family Cactaceae;
e) stems, flowers, and parts and derivatives thereof of naturalized or artificially propagated plants of the genera Opuntia subgenus Opuntia and Selenicereus (Cactaceae); and
f) finished products of Euphorbia antisyphilitica packaged and ready for retail trade.

[willowbanks]

That's what I said Kip, seeds are exempt.

Bill

[kip]

you're right about Cattleya seed being exempt.
I was trying to clarify CITES regulations, but apparently failed miserably.

Appendix I - CITES certificates are required for seed
Appendix II (including Cattleya) CITES certificates are not required for seed

back to the original subject of the thread - has the seed been flasked yet? did you go with the medium you prepared, or did you try a commercial flasking service?

[awaxa]

Hi folks,
I was trying to get some plants from Norman's Orchids to the Caribbean but Norman's don't deliver outside of the US.
However, I wanted to purchase some seeds instead.
Can anyone point me in the correct direction?
I am interesting in Cattleyas, Dendrobiums and Phalaenopsis seeds.
Thanks in advance.

Glen

[digitalgate]

Originally Posted by awaxa

Hi folks,
I was trying to get some plants from Norman's Orchids to the Caribbean but Norman's don't deliver outside of the US.
However, I wanted to purchase some seeds instead.
Can anyone point me in the correct direction?
I am interesting in Cattleyas, Dendrobiums and Phalaenopsis seeds.
Thanks in advance.

Glen

what kind of seed are you looking for? Hybrid or species? species take a long time to grow.

[awaxa]

Hi digitalgate,
I am interested in hybribs.

[dave64]

hi iam looking for catt species seeds and laelias as well any help would be great

[digitalgate]

hmmmm ...dont know anyone who sell hybrid seed. only species.

[dave64]

digitalgate its species Iam looking for