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Forever-mango 08-02-2012 05:12 AM

URGENT: Deflasking with mold in flask?
 
My friend returned 2 flasks which I purchased from Wally. He was stupid enough to open the bloody flasks and now they have mold on the agar. Seriously, how stupid can someone be? And now he wants a refund because of his stupidity. So I just took it off him and refund him the funds, his missus wasn't happy...so cant help it :dontknow::dontknow:

So, I just deflasked one flask and it has mold on the roots. I used a toothbrush to clean off all the mold on the plants and roots, and it currently soaking in fungicide solution for 20mins. I will be compotting them in pots of 10 or so. Hopefully this method is ok.

They will go straight into the greenhouse with a cover over them. I will respray them with fungicide a few days later.

If there is a better way to do, please let me know.

Thanks heaps
Stephen

Bolero 08-02-2012 06:07 AM

Sounds fine to me, I don't think you needed to scrub the roots and I might have just rubbed them.

But sounds like you have it right and I think the plants will be just fine.

Forever-mango 08-02-2012 06:11 AM

Thanks mate :)

I learned a very expensive lesson. Never order flasks on behalf of anyone :(

orchids4me 08-02-2012 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Forever-mango (Post 341608)
Thanks mate :)

I learned a very expensive lesson. Never order flasks on behalf of anyone :(

I'm sorry to hear this Stephen....
Not necessarly go in on some with someone just make sure they are aware of what they are ding before you do this with someone next time. Not eveyone is that as you put it lol that bloody stupid ;)

Forever-mango 08-02-2012 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by orchids4me (Post 341609)
I'm sorry to hear this Stephen....
Not necessarly go in on some with someone just make sure they are aware of what they are ding before you do this with someone next time. Not eveyone is that as you put it lol that bloody stupid ;)

I hope so :D So far 2 of my orchid friends have complained about orchids/flasks purchased with me. One of them wanted to purchase a large cascading Cymbidium with my old man, and want to go halves with us. They divided the orchid at my place, and they chosen the piece they wanted. Mine has 3 bulbs and 3 new leads. Her piece has 5 bulbs and 1 new lead, she wanted the larger piece. After that day, she keeps complaining everytime I saw here that the piece I got was larger and her one only had one lead...she chose it herself! In the end, my piece died and her one is ok. She is still talking about it...:thumpdown

orchids4me 08-02-2012 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Forever-mango (Post 341610)
I hope so :D So far 2 of my orchid friends have complained about orchids/flasks purchased with me. One of them wanted to purchase a large cascading Cymbidium with my old man, and want to go halves with us. They divided the orchid at my place, and they chosen the piece they wanted. Mine has 3 bulbs and 3 new leads. Her piece has 5 bulbs and 1 new lead, she wanted the larger piece. After that day, she keeps complaining everytime I saw here that the piece I got was larger and her one only had one lead...she chose it herself! In the end, my piece died and her one is ok. She is still talking about it...:thumpdown

Wow! That's rude!! She knows yours died right ? She just needs to get over herself lol wow ! Just tell her its dead now get over it !! I wouldn't go in on any future ones with her for sure :nono:

terra_australis 08-02-2012 09:41 AM

Sounds like a suitable course of action. Make sure they get good air flow and I'd probably give them a fungicidal spray once a week just to keep the mould/fungi in check.

What mix did you pot them out into?

Forever-mango 08-02-2012 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by terra_australis (Post 341633)
Sounds like a suitable course of action. Make sure they get good air flow and I'd probably give them a fungicidal spray once a week just to keep the mould/fungi in check.

What mix did you pot them out into?

I have always potted my Paph seedlings in mini pine bark 60% / Perlite 20% / Chopped Sphag moss 10% / mini charcoal 10%. Once the babies are 6months old, I add a layer of sphag moss (1cm thick) over the top of the mix to provide extra humidity for the plants. So far I have deflasked 20 odd flasks and all are doing very well :D

Ron 08-02-2012 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Forever-mango (Post 341600)
My friend returned 2 flasks which I purchased from Wally. He was stupid enough to open the bloody flasks and now they have mold on the agar. Seriously, how stupid can someone be? And now he wants a refund because of his stupidity. So I just took it off him and refund him the funds, his missus wasn't happy...so cant help it :dontknow::dontknow:

So, I just deflasked one flask and it has mold on the roots. I used a toothbrush to clean off all the mold on the plants and roots, and it currently soaking in fungicide solution for 20mins. I will be compotting them in pots of 10 or so. Hopefully this method is ok.

They will go straight into the greenhouse with a cover over them. I will respray them with fungicide a few days later.

If there is a better way to do, please let me know.

Thanks heaps
Stephen

Hi Stephen, helping mates out, been their and done that!
Now I do all the de-flasking for them and keep the plants for at least six to 12 months.

If it is a white fluffy type mold do not worry too much, more of a penicillin type that causes no major problems.
It is the black wet type that is a quick killer.
I may be beating my drum again but for the cost of a few dollars I use a product called Fungarid, see photo below.

Have used it on deflasking for night on 16 years and never had any loss or problems using it.

I deflask into my sink in the garage, but first I bleach all equipment including the pots and outside of the flasks!
Take the plants out of the flask and give a quick rinse in luke warm water in the sink. group them according to size and pot them up individually or compots, when finished I pour with a small water-can with rose head spray on it, over the plants with the fungicide mix, then into the greenhouse,
No more fungicide is needed again
Just make sure you bleach every thing so no bugs.
I do not waste my time and my precious scarce money on so called good homemade fungicides

I have a flask of Sarcs siting on the hotbed in the greenhouse for the last six months, came at 1/2 price because of them being so small, it has been infected by a white mold for the last 4 months, agar is still good and the plants are growing ok, will deflask it when the get big enough and put up some photos.
best of luck

Bolero 08-02-2012 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Forever-mango (Post 341640)
I have always potted my Paph seedlings in mini pine bark 60% / Perlite 20% / Chopped Sphag moss 10% / mini charcoal 10%. Once the babies are 6months old, I add a layer of sphag moss (1cm thick) over the top of the mix to provide extra humidity for the plants. So far I have deflasked 20 odd flasks and all are doing very well :D

I like the sound of putting that layer of sphagnum on in this climate. I have to give that a go.

rlilia 08-03-2012 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Ron (Post 341685)
Hi Stephen, helping mates out, been their and done that!
Now I do all the de-flasking for them and keep the plants for at least six to 12 months.

If it is a white fluffy type mold do not worry too much, more of a penicillin type that causes no major problems.
It is the black wet type that is a quick killer.
I may be beating my drum again but for the cost of a few dollars I use a product called Fungarid, see photo below.

I do not waste my time and my precious scarce money on so called good homemade fungicides

Thanks, Ron, for your very informative post.

As for the Fongarid, I looked it up on EBAY and did search via Google, it's mainly available from the Australian suppliers. I don't know about others but I'm getting a bit frustrated as time goes by that so many products are often available only in one country but not in another..... It becomes an endless challenge not only to know what product one needs and how to use it but also - where to get it or what would be an equivalent brand name if one lives, say, in Canada. :cool:

Anyway, thanks again!
Lilia :hello:

digitalgate 08-04-2012 08:49 AM

There are some people whom I never sell anything . Your friend sound like the person I keep a distance with a hundred foot pole.:)

terra_australis 08-04-2012 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by rlilia (Post 341721)
Thanks, Ron, for your very informative post.

As for the Fongarid, I looked it up on EBAY and did search via Google, it's mainly available from the Australian suppliers. I don't know about others but I'm getting a bit frustrated as time goes by that so many products are often available only in one country but not in another..... It becomes an endless challenge not only to know what product one needs and how to use it but also - where to get it or what would be an equivalent brand name if one lives, say, in Canada. :cool:

Anyway, thanks again!
Lilia :hello:

Perhaps we could let you know the ingredients so that you can find a similar product locally?

rlilia 08-04-2012 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by terra_australis (Post 341879)
Perhaps we could let you know the ingredients so that you can find a similar product locally?

That would be much appreciated. Thanks, Dan!

Lilia :hello:

Ron 08-04-2012 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by rlilia (Post 341721)
Thanks, Ron, for your very informative post.

As for the Fongarid, I looked it up on EBAY and did search via Google, it's mainly available from the Australian suppliers. I don't know about others but I'm getting a bit frustrated as time goes by that so many products are often available only in one country but not in another..... It becomes an endless challenge not only to know what product one needs and how to use it but also - where to get it or what would be an equivalent brand name if one lives, say, in Canada. :cool:

Anyway, thanks again!
Lilia :hello:

Hi Bits of info worth looking a
http://www.agnova.com.au/resources/a...rid-AgNote.pdf

http://www.agnova.com.au/resources/F...cide-label.pdf

This company is in USA give them a try
Farm Chemicals International

rlilia 08-04-2012 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron (Post 341939)

:thanks a bunch:

Lilia

terra_australis 08-05-2012 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Ron (Post 341939)

What the heck is furalaxyl?

Ron 08-05-2012 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by terra_australis (Post 341967)
What the heck is furalaxyl?

BIG TOP SECRET:nono::nono::nono::p:):(

MAIN INGREDIENT OF FONGARID:D:D

terra_australis 08-05-2012 05:55 AM

Sounds like a treatment for angry constipation.

Forever-mango 08-06-2012 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by terra_australis (Post 341985)
Sounds like a treatment for angry constipation.

Lol!

Thanks Ron for the recommendation, I will to my holiculture supplier to see if I can get it here :) I was recommended to use a root hormone along with fungicide for the 30min bath before letting it wind dry outside before potting up.

Is it worth wild to treat the medium with fungicide too?

Ron 08-06-2012 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Forever-mango (Post 342134)
Lol!

Thanks Ron for the recommendation, I will to my holiculture supplier to see if I can get it here :) I was recommended to use a root hormone along with fungicide for the 30min bath before letting it wind dry outside before potting up.

Is it worth wild to treat the medium with fungicide too?

Hi, I am a fuss pot when it comes to deflasking.
After giving the babys a quick rinse in the sink after taking them out of the flask.
Then sort them into groups the same size, then either pot them up to individual pots of community pots.
When all is potted up I make up the mix of Fongarid according to instructions and pour it over the plans and potting mix.
Place them in a warm humid place to harden off over the next few days.
After a week or so I start to fertilize with a very week seaweed base fertilizer, nothing stronger until the leaves look like they are starting to grow again.

The so called method of placing them outside or on sheets of newspaper to dry off or harden off is rather weird to me as a grower.
They have just come from under grow lights, warmth and 100 humidity in the flask.
So I treat them as per still a baby.

The shock of being taken out of the flasks conditions is enough to knock them around enough without completely dry them out!

Do they do this to new born babys to harden them off!!

My way and works very well for me, as taught to me by a very professional nursery
Best of luck

Forever-mango 08-08-2012 04:24 AM

It has been almost a week since my deflask on the contaminated flasks. So far so good, the seedlings has been harden and no signs of new fungal growths or signs of melting leaves :D

I will be restocking my potting and mixes at the show coming Friday, and hopefully deflask a couple more next week :) I added an extra fan in my GH because the air flow wasn't enough. So hopefully all goes well ;)

Bolero 08-08-2012 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Forever-mango (Post 342399)
It has been almost a week since my deflask on the contaminated flasks. So far so good, the seedlings has been harden and no signs of new fungal growths or signs of melting leaves :D

I will be restocking my potting and mixes at the show coming Friday, and hopefully deflask a couple more next week :) I added an extra fan in my GH because the air flow wasn't enough. So hopefully all goes well ;)

I am sure it will, bonus plants for you! Looking forward to seeing them flower in a year or two......lol

Forever-mango 08-22-2012 04:10 AM

Hi guys, it has been 3 weeks since I deflasks the 2 contaminated paph flasks.

All seedlings are growing healthy in compots and I am very happy :)

But, something happened today. The person who I ordered the flasks for came back with 1 flask (which he contaminated himself) and asked for another refund. He said he will ask the owner of Fong Ping Orchids in QLD to complain about the importer.

Seriously, it has been 4 weeks since he has taken it back home. When he picked up the flasks that same weekend, he already opened the cap of the flasks to inspect the plants. Now 4 weeks later, and mold has grew, agar has turned to liquid and plants in the flask is 80% dead, he now wants to refund. Some people just have no common sense.

terra_australis 08-22-2012 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Forever-mango (Post 344417)
Hi guys, it has been 3 weeks since I deflasks the 2 contaminated paph flasks.

All seedlings are growing healthy in compots and I am very happy :)

But, something happened today. The person who I ordered the flasks for came back with 1 flask (which he contaminated himself) and asked for another refund. He said he will ask the owner of Fong Ping Orchids in QLD to complain about the importer.

Seriously, it has been 4 weeks since he has taken it back home. When he picked up the flasks that same weekend, he already opened the cap of the flasks to inspect the plants. Now 4 weeks later, and mold has grew, agar has turned to liquid and plants in the flask is 80% dead, he now wants to refund. Some people just have no common sense.

Wow, that just about takes the blue ribbon for stupidity in my book! That's like opening a can of food, sticking it back in the cupboard and then complaining that the food inside is spoiled 4 weeks later. Do you think Woolies would give a refund for that?

Sometimes a slap upside the head is the best response you can give to some people!

Forever-mango 08-22-2012 09:55 AM

Even with Vitamins, once you open you cannot open it.

Now this is live stock. It is 80% dead because of his stupidity.

Seriously if Fong Ping does complain, I will complain about the $2k of plants I purchased from him that died. And I should get a refund for it.

Ron 08-22-2012 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Forever-mango (Post 344451)
Even with Vitamins, once you open you cannot open it.

Now this is live stock. It is 80% dead because of his stupidity.

Seriously if Fong Ping does complain, I will complain about the $2k of plants I purchased from him that died. And I should get a refund for it.

Hi, some people never learn any thing about flasks or how to de-flask properly.
nearly every company I have dealt with recommends to de-flask on arrival, especially if came by air freight, difference in air pressure caught easy force contaminated air into the flask
Personally I would dob him in to Fong Ping as we do not need trouble making idiots in the industry like him.

We had one down here who destroyed 20 flasks over a couple of months by listing to idiots on how they de-flasked.
Tried to com plain back to the seller, but they already heard what had been done so no re-fund

Forever-mango 08-22-2012 08:24 PM

Ron, this guy is a friend of Fong ping, he tried to threaten me by saying he will contact Fong ping to come out to complain for him.

First, I don't know why they will do it, because the importer dealt with me and not him.

Secondly, I find there was nothing wrong with the flask, and it was the stupidity of someone who doesn't know how to deflask.

Thirdly, if there was something wrong at the start, why take it from my place (without paying), should of left it for me to keep.

Fourthly, every vendor never guarantees safe arrival of a flask from the outside country to the end buyer. They will never guarantee the plant will stay alive when you buy it.


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