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Old 08-05-2012, 08:37 AM
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My Phal Breeding try

Hi all,

I just got my first orchid a month ago and already I have 7 (all Phals)
I am planning to get some Dendrobium and Oncidium next week,
and I really fell in love with orchids

So I was reading and watching videos about orchid propagation and I decided to give it a try (I am also very interested in genetics and hybrids)

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Pod 1 week old (pollinated 29.07.2012):




I'll put more images in few weeks.

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Old 08-05-2012, 01:26 PM
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Hi,

Just a quick question: Is it normal that flower from which pollinia (pollen) was taken to wilt in few days and drop off?

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I don't know anything about pods and pollination, but that first plant is very pretty I love the spots!
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Yes I really like it, and flowers are big
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Yes, it is normal for a flower to wither after the pollenia have been removed. If the pollination takes, how do you intend to sow the seeds? It can be done by hobbyists at home with equipment you can get most anywhere or from specialty stores, but it's a huge pain in the butt, and the cost of all the equipment adds up. If you'd rather not mess with doing it yourself, I know a good lab I've used and been satisfied with where you send your mature seed capsule and they sow the seeds, replate the protocorms, and then send you flasks of seedlings ready to be de-flasked. It's easy and it's not that expensive. When you're ready and if you decide to go that route, let me know and I'll give you more info.
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Hi,

Thank you for the info. I'll let you know once I am sure what to do.
To be honest I was planning to germinate at home and was reading and watching videos about the process so I hope I will be able to do it myself.


How will I know if pollination took? I thought as soon as I see the stem of the flower bulge that it is pollinated and seeds will form.
Maybe not?

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Even if the pollination did not take, the stem will swell slightly, but then it will yellow and drop. If the pollination took, the stem will continue to swell to form a capsule. However, just because a capsule forms and is filled with seeds doesn't necessarily mean the seeds are viable (although they usually are if the capsule makes it that far).
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Nothing harmed by trying it on your own!

What Jeff suggests may be an easier option with more chance of success. Are these plants you know the name of (from a plant tag)? Crosses where the parents are identified are of more value in terms of breeding. But, if you are doing this for fun and to learn, and using plants with no I.D. (aka NOIDs), there is no harm in that, either!

In any case, I wish you success. Let us know how things turn out!
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I have flasked my own seeds myself at home, and I will say that it's a fun learning experience! I'm not saying you shouldn't do it. If you want to, then go for it. If you're just doing it for fun and for experience and for the satisfaction of having done it yourself, then yes by all means go for it.

However, if it is a cross that you actually feel is going to produce quality results and you are hoping for a new cross that may one day win you an award, then I'd suggest the lab method, because that way, you are almost certain to get lots of healthy seedlings, and the more seedlings you end up with, the greater the chances are that you will end up with a few that are award worthy. It all depends on what you are looking to gain through the process.
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Hi,

Right now as I am still really new to orchids I am doing it for fun and experience

Thank you all for helpful tips and answers !!!


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If you'd rather not mess with doing it yourself, I know a good lab I've used and been satisfied with where you send your mature seed capsule and they sow the seeds, replate the protocorms, and then send you flasks of seedlings ready to be de-flasked. It's easy and it's not that expensive. When you're ready and if you decide to go that route, let me know and I'll give you more info.
I doubt it would be cost effective for Hinco to contact you for info regarding the lab you are familiar with. I'm guessing to ship from Croatia to the lab(which I am assuming is in the US) would be pretty costly.
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Hi Hinco,
I'm glad to see your having fun and orchida are
Its interesting to watch a seed capsule grow after pollenating
I will try and answer a few questions for you if you like. Jsehorn answered a few but syndywindy is correct about location and jesehorns offer for a lab.

To answer a question I saw un answered a capsule from pollienating to harvest if doing dry seed can take between 6 to 8 months. If the pollenation took (I've had capsule abort a month down the road. So when you get past 1 to 2 months you may be ok) but if around close to 6 months it starts to change its getting ready to burst it starts to yellow then turn a a brownish color. This is when you start watching for the spliting in the seams of the capsule.

You can capture the seed before it burst by attaching a coffee filter around the capsule.

One of our members here has some flasking videos on u tube and I'm thinking those may be the ones you already have watched
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Awe, crap, Synda, you're right. I didn't realize Hinco was in Croatia. Should have looked at the stats first. Yes, that would be wildly cost ineffective to send seeds to the US and have the flasks sent back, if it can be done at all. I'm sure the certificates and such that would require would be wildly expensive. My bad!
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Update on POD (2 weeks old - 12.08.2012)
Looks like it is getting longer than original stem:




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Looks like the pollination took. In my experience, if the pollination did not take, the new capsule would have started to yellow by now. It could still happen, but I figure if it's gotten that far, you're probably in the clear.
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Great

So still 4 months or so to go


Is it true that new plant usually has more characteristics of the parent that is growing the pod ?


I now also have new Oncidium mix orchid


and a dendrobium




all together with my Diffenbachia

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New update

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I made a cross pollination between 3 phals...I'll post photo soon.
That happend 3 weeks ago,and the pod is growing well.
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keeping fingers crossed (but from what I have read the worst is over!!!) am waiting with you
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Yes! Good Luck! Although, I think waiting is the worst part now! Lol My fingers are def. crossed for u

Btw, I like ur avatar pic Hinco!
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Oh, my gosh - this is exciting! I am so glad this all started way back in July so that the first time I see it, it is close to seed collecting and germinating time! Hinco, thanks for consistently updating and please keep doing so - I cannot wait to see how this turns out!!
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From looking at some links on length of time between pollination and seed readiness, it takes about 8 months + or -

The links I have seen are all on blogs or forums, so I can't post them on our forum, but let me know if you would like me to send them by PM.
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Oooh! The suspense is killing me! Wishing you the best! Thanks for all the updates...
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Me too! Orchids are so SLOW! (Or, maybe we're too FAST!)
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Wow! I am loving the updates. For some reason that doesn't look anything like what I pictured a pod would look like in my mind. Can't wait to see the next update
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hi Hinco,

i too had tried with flasking, my two initial attempt is with homemade DIY media but it did not really workout (still waiting for germination), i guess better try with commercial media the next time.
but what i want to share is a way you can create your own chamber to do the sowing, really economic and easy to setup. all you need is an used aquarium/big plastic container, newspaper and disinfectant.
here is the link (it's a very simple setup, it;s my blog actually and hope you don't mind)
catasetum-ian: DIY chamber

hope to hear some opinion on how i could improve the setup as well.

i manage to do the sowing without contamination, the only problem i only get something like a protocorn like growth and no germination.
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Update: Good and bad news

Good - POD opened




Bad - There were no seeds...

So it seems I will have to wait till next year to try again...
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Well i couldn't wait so i bought 6 different orchid seeds on ebay and will try to germinate them.

I have:
- Dendrobium gratiosissimum¸
- Dendrobium bellatulum
- Phalaenopsis cornu cervi
- Dendrobium williamsonii
- Dendrobium findlayanum (black eye)
- Dendrobium albosanguineum

I just finished preparing and sterilizing 10 jars and tomorrow will sow the seeds


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