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My Breeding adventures

Hey all,
thanks to Emmaye, and a long lived desire (well, in comparison to how long i've been growing orchids it's long ), i have decided to start breeding

so i thought, why not talk about my attempts, failures, successes and hopefully, eventual flowers

also, any hints, tips, or corrections to my methods would be GREATLY appreciated, so feel free to add your 2c worth

so here we go
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Pollinated dendrobium

to start it off,

a couple of weeks back one of my dendrobiums got selfed by a fly that was in my bedroom, i'm sure it was selfed because i didn't have a single other dendrobium in flower at the time, plus one of the flowers on the spike died within a day of two of the first one being pollinated, so i think i know where the pollen came from

and the dieing flower that you see in the photo, i found out was because another fly had gotten into the bloom, then gotten stuck and killed the flower (by removing the pollen)..... though the flower got even because the dieing petals sagged and made the fly get stuck in the flower which then killed it... muhahahaha

here's the pic of the plant several weeks ago, tomorrow i'll try get a photo of the pod at the moment, because i don't know when to pick it to send it to my friend that does flasking.



p.s. i'll note down the name of the dendrobium tomorrow and add it to the thread
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Stelis quadrifida

Hey all,
some of you may have read my thread about my Stelis, and you may have seen that it got pollinated, so i figured i would add it to this thread too


anyways, completely without my help, my new little baby has gone and selfed itself for me

so far it has........ 4 pods developing......i think it is, LOL




also, once more, if someone could let me know what to look for when it will be ready for picking i will be much obliged
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Hi Michael,

I have not gotten into breeding the orchids yet, but want to some day. I just don't know where to start. So, I am watching your thread very closely and enjoying it! Good luck!

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Bulbophyllum Wilmar Galaxy Star x Bulbo. longissimum

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today i had these two bulbo's sitting next to one another, and i thought, "why not?"

so i got the pollen from the longissimum and put it in the Wilmar Galaxy Star..... and then just to be on the safe side, i got the pollen from another of my longissimum flowers and put it in too

i wonder if it'll work

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i hope it works

and tomorrow i think i might cross one of the two longissimum flowers with the other one, just to get yet another seed pod,

hehehe, i'm having sooooo much fun
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Coelogyne trinervis

I had a go pollinating one of my trinervis flowers today, i don't know if it'll be successful, and i must admit, i'm not overly inspired to pollinate it, LOL, but if it does take, then i certainly wont be complaining

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Ascocenda Kulwadee Fragrance 'Fred'

Hey all, i'd really like to have a go at pollinating this beauty, but i'd just like some tips on pollinating a vanda before i do try, it's mums favourite orchid, and to have 2 of the flowers collapse would make a bit of a difference,

so some tips would be VERY much appreciated

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We've created a monster!


Unfortunately Michael, premature wilting of flowers is the sacrifice for pollinating them. If you think of it from the plant's point of view however, once pollen contacts stigma the flower has done its job. No point in expending valuable nutrients on a structure that has fulfilled its purpose, especially when there is growing seed that will need them.
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Just write down everything you are doing, dates, crosses. It also helps to tag the pod on the orchid. Don't be discouraged either as sometimes after all that time of taking care of a pod to have non-viable seed. Just try, try again.
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Go for it Michael! Imagine, if sucessful, you will have a greenhouse full for you Mom
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Unfortunately Michael, premature wilting of flowers is the sacrifice for pollinating them. If you think of it from the plant's point of view however, once pollen contacts stigma the flower has done its job. No point in expending valuable nutrients on a structure that has fulfilled its purpose, especially when there is growing seed that will need them.
yeh, the flower has achieved what it needed to.

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Just write down everything you are doing, dates, crosses. It also helps to tag the pod on the orchid. Don't be discouraged either as sometimes after all that time of taking care of a pod to have non-viable seed. Just try, try again.
i've started collecting the tags from bread bags, because you can put a code on them, then put it around the flower spike, the code then corresponds with the data kept somewhere else, hopefully this method will work

i also tried having some Den. speciosum seeds flasked, but the seeds weren't viable.... oh well, there's always next time


i think i might try pollinating some of the flowers that face backwards towards the plant, so that they wont be as obvious at my society meeting
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I too, know almost nothing about breeding orchids. It sounds like it could be a fun thing to try. Does anyone have a picture of a flower that they created? How long does the whole process take, and where do you send the seeds to be germinated?

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I too, know almost nothing about breeding orchids. It sounds like it could be a fun thing to try. Does anyone have a picture of a flower that they created? How long does the whole process take, and where do you send the seeds to be germinated?

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Willowbanks has bred HEAPS of orchids, i have a number of his crosses, and it depends on the orchid, sarcochilus can apparently be flowering in anywhere from 18 months-2 years out of the flask, and to my knowledge flasking from pollination to deflasking take about 18 months, so thats only 3 years from pollination to flower, whereas dendrobium speciosum takes about 10 years from flask to flower
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Michael

i had started pollinating and flasking experiments as well, i still remember my first seed pod that i flasked, phal pulcherrima......ended up no germination so does the second attempt

then i had my first catasetum seed pod, still in flask, 5 months and 2 days old, still no germination except for some cauliflower like material that is yellowish, got no idea what is it, will post it here one day. HOWEVER did manage to get a symbiotic germination from this pod.....BUT DIED AS WELL

so this pic here is my second attempt on catasetum pollination,for these pods i am considering to get commercial media rather than homemade media. however a successful homemade media would yield a higher sense of satisfaction for me.

and as LISA said it, tag it and write down the date of everything, and also there are bound to be failure along the path but never give up trying.
keep this thread UPDATED Michael, and i do wish to see your flask and germinations and so on......good luck
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sorry to hear about the flask failures, but as they say, try, try again

and i will gladly keep the thread updated

oh, and if anyone in Australia wants some crucifix orchid seeds they can have them. they constantly set seed, and keiki
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oh, and thanks for the photo, i love photo's
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If that Bulbo cross turns out, I wouldnt mind a little flask sent my way
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If that Bulbo cross turns out, I wouldnt mind a little flask sent my way
not sure if it would cope too well crossing the pond
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Hi Michael,
Good job! We need to correct a few things before you get stuck with them in your head like I almost did lol
Seed pod they are really called capsules or seed capsiles. But thre plant carrying the seed capsule is called the pod parent .... Getting confusing yet ? Lol
Ok and selfing only if you physically did it your self by hand is it a selfing
Its possible the fly did it or is this a plant that's know to spontaneously pollinate. Its safe to call the fly one either spntaneous possibly by fly or unknown (unless you saw the fly do it lol )
So if they were mine and there is nothing in the grow space that's compatible to cross and its the only thing in bloom if there was its spontaneous. You can make foot note possibly by fly
Now if you have other plants in grow space it could have possibly been crossed with like say that fly was flower hopping he coul have crossed it with something else from your grow space that was compatable top cross. This would be a unknown.
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Den pinky sweet x self. ( By your hand)
Den pinky sweet - spontaneous. (Either known to automatically self by meansd of genetic imprint to keep the species alive or, enviromental say a fly or bee but no other blooms it can be compatible with in area to cross it with but its self)
And Den pinky sweet- unknown (is when you hjave other chids around it is compatable top cross pollinate with but have no idea which it could be , but a foot note for possibliities should be noted that are in bloom at the same time incase it can be figured out later by traits only distint traits may be identified later as what may be the possible parent but usually still considered unknow but not a noid since you know what the pod parent was)
Then there's the line breeding and outcross as well
To my knowledge and what I've gathered and learned over time ,this I stated here is true to the best of my knowledge.
If any corrections to any of this is needed please do so its all a learning and sharing experience for us all
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not sure if it would cope too well crossing the pond
Well, I may be working in Japan by that time. Not so far then.
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phil, i'll let you know of the flaskers contact details if the seeds do germinate, and then you could speak to him about it, deal?
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emmaye,
thanks so much for all that info, it's very helpful,
i was hoping that the dendrobium wouldnt be an unknown/NoID, but if you think it's too risky to name it as selfed, then NoID it'll just have to be, plus hey, at least i'll have something to give as a present to non-orchid-growing friends
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thanks so much for all that info, it's very helpful,
i was hoping that the dendrobium wouldnt be an unknown/NoID, but if you think it's too risky to name it as selfed, then NoID it'll just have to be, plus hey, at least i'll have something to give as a present to non-orchid-growing friends
I think you mis understood.. Its not a noid unless the pod parent has no name. If the plant carring the capsule (pod parent ) has name it will be Den name here - spontaneous (pending not another Den in the space a fly or bee could have crossed it with if this senario is the case then its a unknown cross only but the named Den carring the capsule (pod parent) it will just take its name carried over either as a spontaneous cross or a unknown cross. Doe this make better sense?
A good example is I have a laelia tenbrosa -spontaneous. Notice it isn't written with an x for the cross but rather just a hyphen in this case so its not a noid and it most likely was selfed by what ever critter pollinated it because no other catt or laelia cat alliance was in bloom in the gfrow space when the capsule turned up. An unknown would also have a hyphen rather than an x but as long as the main plant carring the seed capsule has a name it keeps that parents name , not a noid
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I think you mis understood.. Its not a noid unless the pod parent has no name. If the plant carring the capsule (pod parent ) has name it will be Den name here - spontaneous (pending not another Den in the space a fly or bee could have crossed it with if this senario is the case then its a unknown cross only but the named Den carring the capsule (pod parent) it will just take its name carried over either as a spontaneous cross or a unknown cross. Doe this make better sense?
A good example is I have a laelia tenbrosa -spontaneous. Notice it isn't written with an x for the cross but rather just a hyphen in this case so its not a noid and it most likely was selfed by what ever critter pollinated it because no other catt or laelia cat alliance was in bloom in the gfrow space when the capsule turned up. An unknown would also have a hyphen rather than an x but as long as the main plant carring the seed capsule has a name it keeps that parents name , not a noid
Good luck on your adventures !!
oh ok, now i get it.... though i may name just leave it as a NoID, better to be safe then sorry though i may ask the MASTA'S opinion on it

the name of the dendrobium is: Den Udom Sargym 'Dorothy' x Dal's Pennies x Dal's Guy

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Michael, this has been a fabulous read and I applaud you for stepping out and going after a dream!

I will absolutely follow this and your progress. You have magnificent teachers and the real beauty is, that we all get to learn along with you.

The beauty of willingness is that you can do anything you put your mind on!

We are all rooting for you. Keep us posted.
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This is a very interesting thread. I am in the process of learning how to pollenate orchids. I did some trial and error on Epidendrums for the fun of it. And some pods appeared. I haven't tried on a Paph before, so might try on the insignes before i do it on the rarer species. Please update with photos how your experiments go
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the pollination of the Wilmar Galaxy Star x longissimum didn't take, and i'm not sure if thats because of the parentage, or the two just weren't compatible, so i might try crossing the two next year when the flowers are a bit younger..... if i remember
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i can't really see any change in the coelogyne trinervis, which might be a good thing, but also might mean it hasn't taken, once more, only time will tell

and i think i might have a go with pollinating the Ascocenda later this week.... i'll probably get time on Friday because until then i have back to back assignments and exams due,

and i only gave myself a quick time over breakfast to come on the forum
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You made me decide to try this

Looks great!

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How exciting !!! Thank you for creating this thread! Good luck!!
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so far not much luck on the breeding front,

only the Dendrobium Udom Sargym 'Dorothy' x Dal's Pennies x Dal's Guy and the Stelis quadrifida have got seed pods on them, I believe this may be because i haven't pollinated the other flowers until they were fairly old. I'm going to start doing it when the flowers are younger

i did try crossing Oncidium Twinkle with Oncidium Pacific Paladium so I'm looking forward to seeing if that will turn out, i'll let you know
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well, at least you got one there. and with more attempts, i am pretty sure you will get more pods in the future. good luck
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You talk of orchids being selfed, I understand that is the same orchid being propagated by another flower on the same plant but what is the result? Is the flower the same or could there be a different plant come from that?
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You talk of orchids being selfed, I understand that is the same orchid being propagated by another flower on the same plant but what is the result? Is the flower the same or could there be a different plant come from that?
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they progeny will vary, this is due to the genetic variation that occurs, i.e. i am different to my brother but we have the same parents, the same occurs when a flower is being selfed but there is less variations possibilities
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