Walkeriana

[Elermore]

Has anybody flowered walkeriana the chairman and is walkeriana delicatum the same plant

[kmarch]

Are you talking about different cultivars of Cattleya walkeriana?

[JLu]

There is an AOS awarded clone of C walkeriana named C. walkeriana 'The Chairman'. It was awarded an AM/AOS (81 points) on Feb 12, 2005. The award was won at the Atlanta Judging Center. Exhibitor was Fred Missbach of Atlanta. There is an award picture in AQPlus.

I can find no reference to a walkeriana var delicatum or a walkeriana 'Delicatum'. Possibly it's a horticultural clone that in my opinion throws a monkey wrench into the nomenclature system. Maybe someone else can find it. I searched no awards systems except AOS so I guess it could be awarded and properly documented in a non-US system.

[kmarch]

JLu, I agree with you on the horticultural cultivars, their names are difficult to sort out. But horticultural cultivars are not named according to the system, so var. delicatum would not be a horticultural cultivar. The "var" indicates a scientific name. I'll see what I can find on var delicatum but I'm ot holding my breath.

[JLu]

Well Kevin I agree with the response that using the name "var" implies a scientific name, but if someone chooses to give a plant a hort (fictitious) name there is nothing preventing them from making it appear "scientific". Heck, it happens constantly. They deliberately do it as a marketing (or marketing confusion) device or, alternately, they are badly misinformed. In addition, the original post did not indicate the use of "var". That was my addition to indicate that I was looking for a scientific name and a real variety rather than a hype name. That's also why I indicated looking for a documented clonal name, 'Delicatum'. Obviously I can not locate a false name unless I got lucky enough to find the guy who did it advertising the plant and I wasn't looking into that long shot possibility.

You might find 'Delicatum' in a non AOS awards system. I did not look. You might find "var delicatum" in some taxonomy system, but it is not recognized by the orchid registrar at this time nor in the past. That does not mean it is not on the World Monocot Checklist. However, I find it beyond reasonable that some orchid guy named a plant via the Moncot list when they can't even manage to get the RHS accepted names labeled correctly.

[kmarch]

Originally Posted by JLu

Well Kevin I agree with the response that using the name "var" implies a scientific name, but if someone chooses to give a plant a hort (fictitious) name there is nothing preventing them from making it appear "scientific". Heck, it happens constantly.

Sadly you're right. There's nothing to prevent them from being dishonest and deceptive.

Originally Posted by JLu

In addition, the original post did not indicate the use of "var". That was my addition to indicate that I was looking for a scientific name and a real variety rather than a hype name.

Ah ok, I didn't pick up on that.

Originally Posted by JLu

I did not look. You might find "var delicatum" in some taxonomy system, but it is not recognized by the orchid registrar at this time nor in the past. That does not mean it is not on the World Monocot Checklist.

I checked Monocot's and there is no reference to var. delicatum neither recognized nor obsolete and I've not found any botanical description bearing the name var delicatum. Between your checking an mine, I'm inclined to think there's no such thing.

[JLu]

".....I'm inclined to think there's no such thing."

Thanks, and the original post asked if ?delicatum? was the same plant as C w 'The Chairman'. I guess my answer is, Who knows?

[Elermore]

Thanks to you all. The plant comes from Cal Orchids in the states and I have walkeriana the chairman x sibling & walkeriana delicatum .....as you said who knows thanks again elermore
ps is there anything slower to flower than nobilor