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Old 11-13-2007, 01:18 PM
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Removing sarongs

I know I've talked about this minicat too much, but there is another thing I find odd about it. The sarongs almost seem glued to the plant. I'd like to remove theones from the backbulbs so that no beasties have the chance to hide there. They are pulled? so tight I can't peel them off. Is there some trick I can use to accomplish this? Thanks.
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Old 11-13-2007, 04:20 PM
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Hey nancy, when I saw this thread's header, it got my interest.

I thought, "hello, hello, hello", removing sarongs, I must go to this thread.

Shades of Sandra up that coconut palm.
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Old 11-13-2007, 04:44 PM
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locally sarong mean pants
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Old 11-13-2007, 07:58 PM
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lol, haven't heard that one before, sarong=pants.
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Old 11-13-2007, 10:34 PM
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So what is it then that is on your plant that you want removed? I'm afraid neither "sarong" nor "pants" tells me what I need to know?
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Old 11-14-2007, 01:14 AM
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sorry not exactly pants . look the picture below
Sarong - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 11-14-2007, 04:00 AM
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Are you referring to the sheaf? some of the psuedo bulbs orchids like oncs. cyms, have that skin layer which goes brown, and usually comes off, but can sometimes be stubborn to remove. Insects and such can hide in there.

Thats just a guess though
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Old 11-14-2007, 04:44 AM
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As I understand it the sarong is the outer layer on a cattleya psb which usually dries up, turning brown and papery. It is usually loose and pests can indeed hide behind it. It can be peeled off for cosmetic and plant health reasons.
In this case if it is really stuck to the psb the only reason to remove it would be cosmetic as I assume no pests could get behind it. I would leave it alone.

It is not the same as the sheath which is where the flower buds develop.
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Old 11-14-2007, 05:32 AM
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Terry, In all my 10+ years of growing, showing and judging, I've never heard the bract called a sarong. Is this some sort of coloquialism?
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Old 11-14-2007, 08:13 AM
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I came acrossed the term from reading Mary Noble's book, " You Can Grow Cattleya Orchids". I thought it had fairly common usage. Maybe I need some new orchid reading material. Anyway, this seems like such an odd little plant. I mentioned on another post that the roots seem to start from a point higher on the pb than they should. They almost seem to be having trouble breaking through the sarong. The roots are thing like oncidium roots. The rhizome goes up and down because growths did not break on the plant in a straight line. I hope it will be possible to find out this little guys parentage. I am more than curious now. Thank you all for the responses. If we're not going to use the word sarong, what is current accepted word?
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Old 11-14-2007, 08:25 AM
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I am not sure when or where I first heard the word sarong used in this context but it obviously stuck in my memory. I suppose it was used as the covering, when loose, looks as if has been wrapped around the psb in the way a sarong is wrapped around the human body. However, as in any language, it is only usefull to use if other readers understand it in the same way. Are Nancy and I the only people who understand this term in the psb context?
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Old 11-14-2007, 09:52 AM
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I have heard of the word sarong used in that context as well. Here are
2 links that used the word as well.

Cattleya Care

BBC - h2g2 - How to Care for Orchid Dendrobium aggregatum
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Old 11-14-2007, 11:18 AM
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I actually didn't know what to call them and was greatful to finally have a term. Maybe I can start a trend?
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It is my understanding that the sarong protects the pseudobulb until it matures, and then, no longer needed, it dries up. I have some plants where the sarong peels off easily, like onion skin, and other plants that the sarong seems glued on. Those peel off as much as I can, and then leave the rest.
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Old 11-14-2007, 06:35 PM
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If we're not going to use the word sarong, what is current accepted word?
The correct term is "bract".

It is a matter of personal opinion as to whether or not to leave tnem on or remove them. Some bugs, especially scale can hide under them when they become loose and so for this reason some growers like to remove them. If you don't have bug problems it does no harm to leave them. Some growers think plants look better for shows if they are removed. As a judge I see lots of plants at shows that still have the bracts and it does not disqualify the plant.

Personally I tent to take a naturalistic approach, leave them unless it is necessary to remove them, then if you do remove them, give a gently tug. Do not use any significant amount of force which may damage the rest fo the plant.
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Old 11-15-2007, 09:24 AM
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Okay. It just seemed like the bracts were making it difficult for the planto send out roots and that may be the reason the roots are coming from a higher position on the pb's than usual.
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This happens sometimes. I currently have an Encyclia doing the same thing. the roots are growing up over the top opf the bract then curving down towards the potting mix. dead, dried up bracts can be removed it they are proving detrimental, but if you were to remove them now I doubt the roots would straighten out. I've noticed on my orchids that roots have a tendency to grow a certain way then stay that way.
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Old 11-28-2007, 10:11 AM
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I don't really think the bracts are causing any harm, that root just looks so strange. Subsequent roots have come from the bottom of pb. I also have two growths that swelled and started growing unimpeded by the bracts. I keeping my fingers crossed that this little gellow will bloom. It's all of six inches tall, including its pot. I've been trying to find the origin of the hybrid without much luck. If anyone has any familiarity with it, its name is SLC 'Red Delight'.
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Nancy, Anton is not the only guy who was attracted by the title of this post. I too remember Sandra's coconut tree.

If the bracts are so tight that you cannot remove them then it is unlikely that bugs can get underneath.

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I too remember Sandra's coconut tree.
Ah Bill, that was then, this is now. Will you still save me a seat on the Star Ferry?
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Old 11-29-2007, 01:54 AM
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That is just tooo cute!!! Where do you get those cartoons:
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Old 11-29-2007, 06:09 AM
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Sandra, I do not believe that you look anything like the cartoon. Given the oportunity, and the greenbacks, I would buy the Star ferry for you!!!

Just a memory for you and I, of days long gone. Bill


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