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11-11-2007, 06:17 PM
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| Valuable Lesson Learned the HARD Way. Over the weekend I decided to pot a few large keikis that were forming on various plants. One of my Hard Cane Dens, a little grab and gentle twist, off it came, and into my seedling trays. My Den pulchra which is deciding to die after crown rot which I couldn't cure, AND, by the way had 3 flower buds just starting to open  had two keikis, again a little twist, off they came and again into the seedling trays.THEN, came the Iwangaara Apple Blossom. I have been nurturing this plant for a while and it had thrown a lovely keiki with 1/2 to 3/4 inch roots and was about 2" long. A little twist, nothing. A little jiggle and twist......nothing. Hmmm.  So then I started with a little bit firmer pressure, THEN IT HAPPENED !!!  The B****** roots came away from the keiki and stayed on the PB. I was left with a keiki with a hollow in it from whence the roots came.  AAAAAAAhhhhhhh !!!!It just did not want to leave mummy. That is the first time I have had that problem and hopefully the last. LESSON LEARNED. IN FUTURE use the surgeons' motto: :"If in doubt, cut it out". rather than being brutish and trying to force it. It will NEVER happen again, and I am ready to receive slaps on the wrists for my indiscretion. Addendum: Is there any chance that the keiki may be able to be saved, I have put it in the seedling trays as well, JUST IN CASE.
__________________ Anton On the box it said Windows XP or better so I bought a Mac. Last edited by Anton; 11-11-2007 at 06:22 PM. Reason: Addeded and addendum      |
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11-11-2007, 07:35 PM
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| Iwangaara Apple Blossom is a Cattleya Alliance plant and Cattleyas generally do not have keikis? Could you perhaps have broken off a new gorwth? Where was it growing from?
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11-11-2007, 07:52 PM
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| You brute! Just kiddding, you never know what may happen, I say leave it in the seedling and wait---patiently. I am saying it's a loss, but one of my Catts keeps proving me wrong about how it is supposed to behave at every turn. Good luck.
__________________ "If nature ever showed her playfulness in the formation of plants, this is visible in the most striking way among the orchids. They take on the form of little birds, of lizards, of insects, a man, a woman, sometimes like a clown who excites our laughter. They represent the image of a lazy tortoise, a melancholy toad, an agile, ever-chattering monkey. Nature has formed orchid flowers in such a way that, unless they make us laugh, they surely excite our greatest admiration." Jacob Breynius |
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11-11-2007, 09:45 PM
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| Well it is my first Iwangaara so on a learning curve with it. The new growth was coming off the side of one of the pseudo bulbs and had developed roots, that's why I thought it was a keiki. I may have pictures at home that I can put up tonight, at work at present. If it is new growth, would it have roots ? Pleading total ignorance here with this plant. Luckily there is another new growth creeping up between the roots where several pseudo bulbs join at the base, so NOT touchng THAT one at all. As an aside, I also noticed I have a new bulb forming on my Rossioglossum grande which has been idle for quite some time.  Ying and Yang, for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction............ Kill growth ............. new growth forms elsewhere. 
__________________ Anton On the box it said Windows XP or better so I bought a Mac. Last edited by Anton; 11-11-2007 at 09:47 PM. |
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11-11-2007, 11:50 PM
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| I'm with Kevin on this one Anton. I put up a big question mark in my mind when you said "keiki" and associated it with a cattleya type orchid. Each new growth that springs up DOES have new roots associated with it and normally remains attached to the entire plant - it is usually divided, leaving at least three mature pseudobulbs for each division, as a means of multiplying plants. |
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11-12-2007, 12:53 AM
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| Ah well, put that one down to experience............ or lack of. This is my first one of this type of plant, so a big learning curve. I saw roots, roots to me meant keiki,.......... keikis come off...........
__________________ Anton On the box it said Windows XP or better so I bought a Mac. |
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11-12-2007, 08:56 AM
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| eh, that a catt not a dendrobrum |
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11-12-2007, 10:22 AM
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| Those pseudobulbs look a little on the wrinkly side! Maybe they have been kept a little drier than I keep mine (Iwanagara Apple Blossom), which have never looked like this. I will try and post a pic later of mine for comparison - also not a huge plant, but maybe a year older than yours. 1st catt eh? I think you will like them. I'd put them on the scale as towards the easy to grow side. mike |
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11-12-2007, 10:23 AM
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| Those pseudobulbs look a little on the wrinkly side! Maybe they have been kept a little drier than I keep mine (Iwanagara Apple Blossom), which have never looked like this. I will try and post a pic later of mine for comparison - also not a huge plant, but maybe a year older than yours. 1st catt eh? I think you will like them. I'd put them on the scale as towards the easy to grow side. mike |
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11-12-2007, 11:30 AM
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| Oh Anton!What a b*gger! I had what I was conviced was a keiki on one of my dends with beautiful roots, but after consulting the members left well alone, or I too would be in your shoes! Ah well !  |
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11-12-2007, 01:02 PM
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| Anton, could you possibly *spagh in bag* with Superthrive with the possibly of regenerating more roots? I read that in another thread somewhere. I didn't know if that might help to save it or not. 
__________________ Jenny~   |
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11-12-2007, 03:01 PM
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| Silly Anton. Catts don't produce keikis.  At any rate, try the sphag and bag method, and soak/mist it with a rooting hormone solution for a while. I'm curious if that will work.
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11-12-2007, 03:25 PM
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| Well, consider your self lucky that the roots stayed behind to do the original plant some good. Roots are often a little short on plants, and this one looks like it really needs them.
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11-12-2007, 04:04 PM
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| Well, it was shrivelled like this when it was given to me, it has definately had plenty of water, by the skewer method over winter, so I don't have any issues with neglect on my behalf. I thought it WOULD plump up over winter with the TLC it has had, but not to be. It virtually sat dormant until the past month, then away it went, and now I have stuffed it up. At least there is another new growth on the way. The root system on the main plant is excellent I checked it recently when I repotted it just to make sure it was OK. There is a new bulb growing from the top of one of the two tallest bulbs in between the leaves. It has been in warm, humid conditions right through winter which I thought may have aided in its growth, but not to be. Remember, up until I built my GH in May, I have only been a cym man, so all these other species are a learning curve for me and I make no bones about it. BUT NOWHERE have I read that these DON'T produce keikis, so if I make a mistake, IT WILL ONLY HAPPEN ONCE. You have no idea how hard I have been on myself for this mistake. I have been waiting since May for some sign of new life from this plant, then look what I do to it. Always learning.
__________________ Anton On the box it said Windows XP or better so I bought a Mac. |
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11-12-2007, 04:24 PM
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