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11-02-2007, 06:51 PM
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| Sarcochilus Anyone??? I am going to the Santa Barbara Orchid Estate open house tomorrow and have a list of orchids to buy. A new variety I am considering is Sarcochilus hartmannii or Fitzhart, both aussie varieties. I have read the culture sheets and they seem to fit into my conditions but I haven't heard much talk about them on the forum; perhaps there is a reason why?? Either they are super EASY and no help needed, or super HARD and all of you have given up!?? Any and all advice is greatly appreciated, as always! PS - I want to pot them, not mount, which seems to be quite common with these orchids. Mounting is just too difficult to manage in my current conditions and not an option.
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11-02-2007, 07:27 PM
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| PhalPhal - I have no information to provide for Sarcochilus but like your super easy/super hard thoughts. LOL YOU DESERVE a fun trip like this after the past month. Relax and enjoy yourself! And don't forget to share you new 'chids with us.  |
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11-02-2007, 08:14 PM
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| Thanks Vivienne; those are my husband thoughts exactly!!
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11-02-2007, 08:55 PM
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| I give my Sarcochilus potted in squat pots also I have some growing in sphagnum moss and I have some fine bark mix I have a few links for you to look at I hope they help you PhalPal Sarcochilus Tinonee Orchids http://members.optusnet.com.au/~vcs_...ge%20Abell.pdf Rodriguezia Orchids, Rodrigueziella Orchid, Rossioglossum Orchid Care Rodriguezia Orchids, Rodrigueziella Orchid, Rossioglossum Orchid Care |
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11-02-2007, 10:01 PM
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| Hi PhalPal, my sarcs are just coming into bloom, when they are in flower I'll post some piccies. I have not had a lot of luck with them really, however that was my own fault as I had them into too coarse a mix. I have repotted them into a smaller bark, like I use for dens and now they are doing fine. One thing I learned is to water them regularly. They don't have pseudo bulbs or the thickened stem of dens, so they cannot store water. Keep them moist. |
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11-03-2007, 02:01 AM
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| sarcs are good easy to grow and they really love chc i think its a shame that there aren't more of them over there in the us because breeders here are really doing well with them |
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11-03-2007, 03:26 AM
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| I would not say that Tess I bet you have nice ones also ( Sarcochilus )  |
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11-04-2007, 12:58 PM
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| Ahh Fred they are just too cute!! I went to the open house yesterday and had a ball!! I didn't end up with a Sarcochilus however. As huge as the SBOE is, they grow very few and he told me they really don't have good luck with them over here. Maybe they like your spragh Fred?? The man helping me has grown orchids for forty years and he has killed several of them and finally gave up. Since i do not have a greenhouse to control conditions better I decided against it until I get my orchid room set up. They will remain on my wish list!!! Thanks for all your help everyone. I will post on another thread what I did end up bring home. (I'm glad I brought our SUV!)
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11-04-2007, 03:03 PM
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| Very interesting. I recall seeing a whole bunch of these in bloom there on one occasion, but it was probably something one of their invited guests brought, or something they ordered from elsewhere to sell during one of the Santa Barbara events. I personally can't grow them worth a darn. I buy them and watch them languish for a number of years. However, I just looked at the top link in Fred's post. The fact that they are described as being rupicolous gives me an idea. I went out to the GH and unpotted every one of them and raised them in the pot so that most of the remaining roots are exposed. Rupicolous Laelias not only want to dry out really fast, a danger for Sarcs, but normally have their roots exposed to the sun. So I am going to go with that idea. I've tried absolutely everything else, so what have I to lose.
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11-04-2007, 03:45 PM
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| Fred, I'm currently in Sth Cal for work (no time for visiting orchid nurseries unfortunately) and your photo's are making me homesick. I've just left behind a bunch of Sarcs & Sarc intergenerics that are just opening up. Hopefully they'll still be out when I get back. There's a few I haven't flowered before that look to be showing some good colour. Will post some photo's if they're in good condition when I get back. PhalPal, Sarco. Fitzhart and hartmannii are very easy for Sarc's. they should do well where you live. Both of these do very well in pot culture (I can't say I've seen anyone in Melbourne growing these two mounted which should probably give you some confidence in pots.) Last edited by kmarch; 11-16-2007 at 04:03 AM. Reason: capitalization errors |
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11-04-2007, 07:25 PM
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| good luck with that Cynthia please keep us posted I would be very interested to see how the Sarcs go Andrew Garden World in Springvale has them mounted there is an orchids place in Tyabb with hundreds of mounted sarcs having said that I do grow most of my sarcs in squat posts some in sphagnum moss and others in fine bark mix |
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11-04-2007, 07:49 PM
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| Fred, I was referring more to lithophytes like hartmannii and the hartmannii/fitzgeraldii cross that Phalpal was thinking of buying. The epiphytic species like falcatus, olivaceous, etc do tend to do much better mounted than potted and, while I may be wrong, I thought most of the mounted Sarcs at Collectors Corner, Wayne Turville's, etc were epiphytic species. I have seen ceciliae mounted (usually horizontally) on wood or rock which suits the drier conditions this plant needs but I didn't realise people preferred it for hartmannii or fitzgeraldii. |
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11-04-2007, 07:55 PM
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| I saw that in Tyabb last February when I was visiting the Mornington Peninsula |
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11-05-2007, 02:07 PM
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| Cynthia - SBOE had fewer than ten sarcs and they did not look all that great even though they were in spike. They were not hartmannii or fitzgeraldii. Maybe they required a lot of special treatment and they have decided not to grow them? Interesting that they had a book for sale "Sarcochilus" signed by a man who was associated with SBOE. Now I'm even more confused. I will say that the guy helping me was a bit judgemental and all but talked me out of the sarcs. He asked me how many orchids I had and I answered "less then 30" and he called me a 'beginner' and felt a sarc was not a good choice for me. I have chosen to stick with two varieties (cyms and phals) that I can grow easily and well and don't consider myself a true beginner simply because I don't have one of every variety. I'm trying to be very careful in choosing the types that grow easily in my area without a greenhouse!
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11-16-2007, 02:16 AM
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| Looking at what's listed on the SBOE website, I wouldn't have thought there was anything they were selling that warranted a 'not for beginners' warning. They look like fairly standard hartmannii, fitzgeraldii, falcatus hybrids. Actually, if you give them Cymbidium temperatures and Phal light and water, they'd probably be fine. Down Under Native Orchids attend shows in the US. If you're interested in Sarc's I'd contact them and see when they'll next be at a show near you. |
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