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Old 10-28-2007, 01:33 PM
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Can you please tell me which orchid is this? I got those divisions from one woman and she doesn't know what sort of orchid is this. Do you know?

What do you think, will they survive? They both have pseudobulbs and new shots but all roots are dead...
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Old 10-28-2007, 07:16 PM
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I am sure it will survive: or you can MAKE it survive.

I have no idea what the ID is. May be someone will ID it for you even without a flower.

Good luck.
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Old 10-28-2007, 09:06 PM
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They could be catts? Not for sure though
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Old 10-28-2007, 11:45 PM
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Definitely not Cattleyas, the leaf formation and pseudobulbs are all wrong for that. They look a bit like Coelogyne or Maxilaria to me. It will help enormously to see them in bloom.
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Old 10-28-2007, 11:51 PM
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I think you may have a Coelogyne may be a cristata
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Old 10-29-2007, 01:54 PM
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Unfortunately I don't have pictures of this plant in bloom. I have potted those bulbs in wet moss to encourage root growth. After the roots start to grow, I will bring it back in bark mix...

It is not A Cattleya, maybe it's some kind of Coelogyne, but C. cristata have round bulbs and it creates leaves on older bulbs... This plant creates leaves first and then bulbs...

I'm really curious!

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Old 10-29-2007, 03:09 PM
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I'm thinking more along the lines of Coelogyne myself. Both my plants (C. dayana and C. mosseae) put out leaves first, then the pbulbs develop.
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Old 10-29-2007, 09:41 PM
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Coelogyne cristata puts out leaves first then the bulbs fatten up. This is the growth habit for most Coel.
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Old 10-30-2007, 01:41 PM
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I think this is definitely not Coelogyne cristata... Cristata have totaly round bulbs... Here is the pic... http://www.rojaussodai.lt/pav/up/200...e_cristata.jpg
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Old 10-30-2007, 02:16 PM
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And I finally found the pic of whole plant. This is the orchid from which I took those divisions... The pic isn't good but I hope it helps...
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Old 10-30-2007, 02:28 PM
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And also... It would be great if you could identify these orchids! They are very interesting. That woman got them from Thailand.
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Old 10-30-2007, 05:10 PM
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This is the pic of that first orchid in bloom. I think it is some coelogyne or Maxillaria.
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Old 10-30-2007, 08:17 PM
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Alwska,

Of the 2 pics in post #11, the first looks to be a Bulbophyllum or Cirropetallum of some sort. I can not tell from the picture what the second one is.

The plant pictured in post #12 is definitely a Coelogyne, probably one of the species in the section Flaccidae. To be more speciffic I'd need a better flower pic and some details about the flower (lip shape, number of keels) and the plant.

Please be aware that it is pretty much impossible to ID a non-flowering orchid except perhaps to ID the genus. Even then it is tricky because many Cattleyas, Laelias, and Sophronites look similar when not in bloom. It is much easier ot ID an orchid in bloom (assuming we're talking species) but even then often times its can't be done positively from only a pic.

Do you have other pics of that Coelogyne?
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Old 10-31-2007, 03:03 PM
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Unfortunately no... This is all I found! I think that you are on a right eay. The flower indeed looks like C. flaccida although the bulbs are different... Maybe it is some hybrid...
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Old 10-31-2007, 08:11 PM
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For clarification I wasn't saying the plant was Coel. flaccida, I said it was probably one of the species in the section Flaccidae. Coel flaccida is in the section Flaccidae, grouped with a number of other similar species. I suppose it could be some kind of hybrid, but there aren't very many Coelogyne hybrids yet. I gave a presentation on Coel back in 2003. At that time there were only 21 registered Coelogyne hybrids.
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For clarification I wasn't saying the plant was Coel. flaccida, I said it was probably one of the species in the section Flaccidae. Coel flaccida is in the section Flaccidae, grouped with a number of other similar species. I suppose it could be some kind of hybrid, but there aren't very many Coelogyne hybrids yet. I gave a presentation on Coel back in 2003. At that time there were only 21 registered Coelogyne hybrids.
Interesting... Yes, I've rad that Coelogyne weren't so interesting to the hybridizers!
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Old 11-01-2007, 02:31 PM
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And also... i have potted this Coelogyne in moss. Is that ok? Will that make her create roots? Do the new shots create roots while they are young... I'm not sure how big are the chances to survive!
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Old 11-01-2007, 07:33 PM
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I think your chances for survival are good but you'll need a bit of patience. It is difficult to give cultural advice now knowing what species you have. Coelogyne come from many different climates and range from cold to warm growing. But for the time being I think you are safe providing intermediate temperatures, medium light, and keeping it a little on the moist side. Perhaps not as moist as a Paph. I don't know what kind of moss you're thinking of using. I have one Coel cristata in sphagnum moss and it is growing well. The rest of my Coelogyne (about 25 different species and a copule of hybrids) are potted in various bark mixes.

One thing about Coel though is that they often resent beign disturbed. I basically never repot them, I only pot up (move to a larger pot not changing the mix) when absolutely necessary. After beign divided or repotted, they will sulk for quite some time. I have a Coel bilamellata that was divided in April, still not so much as a new shoot or root and the half-mature growths it had have stopped growing. I bought a pure white cristata division about a year ago, it has just started to grow. Also about a year ago I bought a Coel ocracea that was posted to me bare root. I potted it up and it proceded to regress (bulbs shriveling, leaves dying, no growth) for about a year until just about 2 weeks ago when I noticed new growths coming. So once you pot them up be patient. If you have high enough humidity, you could mount them too, or even better, grow them in a hanging basket as many of them have nice pendant inflorescences.

Regarding the habit of their root growth, most of the Coel I know will start a new growth then after it is well underway, new roots will begin to emerge from that growth.
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Old 11-02-2007, 12:04 PM
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One thing about Coel though is that they often resent beign disturbed. I basically never repot them, I only pot up (move to a larger pot not changing the mix) when absolutely necessary. After beign divided or repotted, they will sulk for quite some time. I have a Coel bilamellata that was divided in April, still not so much as a new shoot or root and the half-mature growths it had have stopped growing. I bought a pure white cristata division about a year ago, it has just started to grow. Also about a year ago I bought a Coel ocracea that was posted to me bare root. I potted it up and it proceded to regress (bulbs shriveling, leaves dying, no growth) for about a year until just about 2 weeks ago when I noticed new growths coming. So once you pot them up be patient.
So I need to be patient... Hmm... Yes! Orchids really have slow reactions!
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So I need to be patient... Hmm... Yes! Orchids really have slow reactions!
Some do, Coelogynes do. Other types though grow very fast and are not disturbed by repotting.
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