first dendrobium

[leberal]

...hi can anyone help me how to know the time needed for a dend cane to bloom...t removed a cane from a potted dend that has about six canes..mine is about 19cm...any help would be appreciated

[orchids4me]

To bloom depends on age of the cane and the plant and the type of Den. I'm curious as to why you removed a cane ????

[leberal]

well..it was my friends.i guess it is a nobile type ,i will try to upload a pic .. I am really new to orchid so expect to nag.regards

[leberal]

here are the pics

[leberal]

any reply from any someone!

[terra_australis]

Could be a couple of years assuming you get some decent growth into it. BTW, that doesn't look like a nobile type.

[syndywindy]

It looks like it may be a phal type den. You should be able to pot it up in a good medium bark mix(soak it first) and it should be fine. I noticed a new growth as well as a root from the growth area. Once that growth matures, hopefully you will see it bloom for you.

[leberal]

mmm..phal type ha..so is it better to remove the new growth to forward its strength for blooming or should i leave it as it will mature quickly?

[syndywindy]

Leave the new growth and pot it as is. I would also fertilize it on a regular basis as it is growing.

[leberal]

BTW it is now in a plastic bottle with some moist coco fiber hoping to promote rooting.

[leberal]

so i should pot it as it is? Realy? Shouldn't i wait new roots to show.

[leberal]

syndywindy are u online?

[leberal]

.so ??

[leberal]

does someone have a hotmail acc.?

[orchids4me]

I I will try to help you synda may have went to work.
Leave it as is poteed up new growth and all as synda has said. What will happen is down at the base of the new growth it will begin to develop new roots there as well as the older canes if they have viable eyes to develop them. They usually have no problem doing this if given good culture.
Does this bottle you potted it up in have drainage holes ??
Right now in winter I grow all mine indoors and I water weekly and fertilize weakly weekly at 1/4 strength.
To get culture info in the forum under care and cultivation heading there are AOS culture sheets. The hard cane or phal type is the phalaenthe title under Dendrobiums. They have 3 catagorys there for different types of Dens and for yours if you can closely mimic the cultural info you will have a happy healthy Den.

[leberal]

noholes but slightly opened and it is in a room with moderat light, i feel it won't bloom...at least with me hehe .

[leberal]

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[orchids4me]

Ok all orchids need drainage holes for the water to drain through. If they stay to wet (unless its a orchid that requires the wet type culture) which this Den is not one of those no drainage = root rot and eventual death. So melt holes in the bottom with a hot nail or something or use a pot with drainage holes in the bottom. I have better results with potted dens in clay or tera cotta type pots. The media dries more evenly between watering and when these get top heavey they don't tip over quite so easily also.

[leberal]

i know that and it is hanged rather in soggy media.so my humble analysis it wont rot but fairly humid.by the way what do you do for life?hehe

[orchids4me]

The 2 pics I attached are the hard cane /phal type Den blooms. The flower spike comes out of the top of the cane and buds along the spike open / blooms
Next post I will show a the soft type Den or noble type Den big difference in their appearence

[orchids4me]

Here's my noble type Den hybrid. You can see the blooms on noble types grow directly on and up and down the cane. No spike out the top and the canes have a different look to them and way leaves grow also. Noble types also known as soft cane Dens

[orchids4me]

Originally Posted by leberal

i know that and it is hanged rather in soggy media.so my humble analysis it wont rot but fairly humid.by the way what do you do for life?hehe

I grow Orchids for life and fun. But for work I currently do security. But my life evolves around my family and growing orchids.

[leberal]

aha..i see u have nice dends and pretty easily flowering..and i am still struggling with this lone cane..terrific combination..so can you advice me an orchid to start with? Or this one is ok..

[orchids4me]

Originally Posted by leberal

aha..i see u have nice dends and pretty easily flowering..and i am still struggling with this lone cane..terrific combination..so can you advice me an orchid to start with? Or this one is ok..

This is a good one for starts. Read up on the light requirments and see what you can do. Also check your day and night average temps. This will help to research what will grow best for you in your environment.
A lot of new orchid growers have what you have or they have the orchid called phalaenopsis (not to confuse you Den because called phal type Den) a actual Phal is a whole different orchid
I attached pic's one phal's leaves for visual and the bloom of a different phal

[leberal]

so can u till after how much would it bloom ?

[leberal]

wow spectacular phal !.BTW are pics u have posted are urs?lucky if yes!

[orchids4me]

Originally Posted by leberal

so can u till after how much would it bloom ?

It may re bloom from the older cane but since it has to re establish its self may skip one season. But for the new growth to mature it may take a couple years before it blooms from that cane. And this is all pending you provide the culture it needs to do this. Thes dens are higher light orchids and they need that provided in their culture also to bloom. No direct sunlight but filtered bright light. Unless you grow indoors like I do then you need to get lights to grow them under. And again temps, humidity levels, light, water and fertilizer are all keys to growing them (culture notes on the AOS link under Phalaenthe Den) mimic these and you will be successful with it.

[orchids4me]

Originally Posted by leberal

wow spectacular phal !.BTW are pics u have posted are urs?lucky if yes!

Yes they are thank you
A few months back I was re doing my grow space had to add a shelf so these 2 pics I don't have all the lighting up and a big mess below of stuff/ supplies etc. That's all cleaned up and organized now and the lights are up (just not in these pics here. Don't have a recent shot of the space right now all set up, been very busy.) But the sheves are seedlings and flask babies (orchids) the table has my adult plants. But its even a bit more rearranged now and about full lol) winter here also right now. But just a general idea how serious I am about growing orchids

[leberal]

wow..really serious grower..so is it like ur house is for orchids and ur family and u sleep outside.hehe..hopefully u say no !hehe

[orchids4me]

Originally Posted by leberal

wow..really serious grower..so is it like ur house is for orchids and ur family and u sleep outside.hehe..hopefully u say no !hehe

no iol, the orchids only occupy that room (dining room ors eat times all different so we use tv trays in the living room to eat or I just stand at the counter because I'm always on the run to work or dealing with the orchids between bites lol so it works out. I may even get to use the extra back bedroom soon . But that might not be until those baby's need more room or I get a greenhouse

[leberal]

u know i heard that orchids do best when planted on laptops

[orchids4me]

Originally Posted by leberal

u know i heard that orchids do best when planted on laptops

I've never heard that before. I do know some use seedling heat mats to grow them on. Huh... Be a good one for Kmarch to if is a myth or fact. He has a myth buster thread on here. I would think low levels of radiation over a period of time (un like what the sun emits anyways) might do damage. I've never been able to keep a plant alive on top of the tv so it makes you wonder though - laptop.... Intersting you should make a thread and see what others say or post it on kmarch's mythbusting thread....

[syndywindy]

I am back. Put some holes in the bottom of your plastic bottle if you plan to leave it there for the time being. Dens like a good amount of light, a bit of direct sun is ok early in the day or late in the day. They can also handle good amounts of watering. Assuming yours is a phal type and I'm reasonably sure it is, you can water it all year long. this type of den does not require a winter rest from watering. How often you water will depend on your conditions. I don't let this type of den dry out completely although if it happens no big deal if you let it dry out for a couple days. I recently recieved a keiki(baby plant) of a den from another geek. It looked very similar to yours although not as big. It had one root maybe an inch long. It now has 6 roots of varying sizes. I wish I could give you a time frame for blooming, but a lot depends on your conditions and on you. Since it was a cane from a mature blooming plant, a new growth should produce a spike when it reaches maturity assuming everything it needs has been taken care of. Again, during active growth, water water water and fertilize regularly.

[leberal]

welcom again..synda, so can we claim that next season it would bloom?.

[leberal]

BTW emma what i ment by planting orchid is that in case u lacked room for ur orchids

[syndywindy]

Originally Posted by leberal

welcom again..synda, so can we claim that next season it would bloom?.

Again, all depends on how it grows and how you take care of it. But it should bloom at some point in time.

[alan-rr]

O.K., I think it is Dendrobium kingianum in the photos, native from Australia.
alan-rr

[leberal]

really alan how could u tell?

[leberal]

hi every one again.my friend gave this orchip.i know its a dend but what type?

[leberal]

here two photos of my new dend?can someone tell type, do roots seem ok? And would it root again ?

[syndywindy]

First off, You will never be certain your first orchid is a kingianum without having a tag or the plant you got that cane from had a tag. Too many phals look alike even the blooms to put an id to. As for your newest den, again looks like a phal type and pot it up as you normally would. Roots don't look the greatest, but they don't look totally bad either. In both cases, give it good den care. You probably won't see changes right away, but stick with it and it will reward you.
In the meantime, here is a culture sheet for dendrobiums. Mind you it is a general one, not one size fits all, but will give you an idea.

Dendrobium Culture Sheet

[leberal]

ok .so hw can u tel good roots from bad ones?green white are ok right!
if roots are bad should they be removed

[syndywindy]

Roots for the den should be a white or greenish color and somewhat firm. It they are brown and mushy then they are rotted and should be removed. If in doubt, leave them until new roots start growing.

[leberal]

hello emms what u tink of the new dend i posted !!...

[orchids4me]

Originally Posted by leberal

hello emms what u tink of the new dend i posted !!...

Hi leberal did you start a new thread with another Dendrobium ? I haven't goten through them all yet . I will look for it.
Did you check your roots ? Synda gave good information how to check and tell good ones and bad ones up above. She's helped me a lot as started collecting and growing orchids. Her info is priceless helped me many times she knows Dens and many other types that she grow
Will go look for your other Den

[leberal]

welcome..hw r u ..no not in new thread they are here above (2 pics are uploaded..ok a admit that should be in new thread )....this dend seems small yet it had once an infloresnce or is it a miniture type ....so ..

[orchids4me]

Originally Posted by leberal

here two photos of my new dend?can someone tell type, do roots seem ok? And would it root again ?

Nice . It appears to be another hard cane or phal type Den. Same care as the other one. I see below your post up there Synda put the link to the dendrobium culture sheets for you. It will be under the first group listed or category of phalaenthe type Dens listed. It will give the temps, light, humidity etc needed for these type Dens

I attached a pic of one of my favorite antelope type Dens below it has a hard cane also but it falls under another category on the culture sheet Synda put a link for you to

[orchids4me]

Lol no teasing... Enabling maybe lol.
That's is my favorite NOID that's an antelope "type" the petals are elongated and pointy but have a wavy twisty thing going on to them. My other one is purple. The first pic is its true color the 2nd pic it looks pink but its not but I'm holding the bloom so a size can be seen. NOID= no identification. It didn't have a tag with a name but I do know its a hybrid. That's all I know other than I love it!!! the blooms stayed over 4 month almost 5

[leberal]

4-5 months and still not teasing ....i suppose u cant tell a hybrid from other unless it blooms ,fair enough..hoping my 2 dends grow and bloom !

[leberal]

mmm..do u have rare orchids....is there rare orchids at first !?

[orchids4me]

Yes there are rare orchid and some are only in cultivation by labs because they don't exixt in their natural habitas any longer. And yes I do have a few that I had gotten flasks of from a consevatory where I order my flasks from. I don't have a list with me at the moment to list which they are right now (I'm at work currently lol) but yes to both questions.

[leberal]

hello..does keikis require same time flask orchids to mature..does it make sense !?

[alan-rr]

One of my Dendroium kingianum. Also a sprouted backbulb. Blooming this month. It see to the same backbulb type?
alan-rr

[leberal]

aha..but i asked about keik,and BTW do dends have bb,i dont think so?

[orchids4me]

Hi again there are a few types of Dens that keiki one of which the last member has mentioned and yes you are right they have canes not back bulbs. I was gifted a keiki from a member that had previously bloomed and it now has a new growth. It is a soft cane /noble type. So far on my hard cane phal types only gotten new growths not keiki's. And none of either type have bloomed from the keiki's or new growths as of yet this season I'm hoping next season.
But to answer the question flask and keiki no takes much longer from a flask to bloom size than it does from a keiki from what I've seen and other members have posted. But as I mentioned none of mine have yet.

[leberal]

wat i ment that keikis have more energy to mature and bloom mmm..so can u tell the time for 3-4'' dend to mature? coz i have a lot!

[terra_australis]

Originally Posted by orchids4me

Hi again there are a few types of Dens that keiki one of which the last member has mentioned and yes you are right they have canes not back bulbs. I was gifted a keiki from a member that had previously bloomed and it now has a new growth. It is a soft cane /noble type. So far on my hard cane phal types only gotten new growths not keiki's. And none of either type have bloomed from the keiki's or new growths as of yet this season I'm hoping next season.
But to answer the question flask and keiki no takes much longer from a flask to bloom size than it does from a keiki from what I've seen and other members have posted. But as I mentioned none of mine have yet.

That is my experience also. That said, a new plant grown from a keikei may require the support of several old growths in order to be able to flower. It does of course depend on the particular plant because I have seen keikeis flowering from a single growth and also seedlings flowering almost straight out of flask. Such ocurrences are rare however and I would still be inclined to believe that this particular one is at least 2 years from flowering.

[leberal]

ok..but to which keiki u r refering Dan ?mine r not keikis,

[leberal]

i dont think that the 2nd dend i posted is going to root..they r rot,any suggestions

[leberal]

it seems that it wont root! It had been in a new well drained pot for 10days yet nothin..any noter,todos

[Fishmom]

I hate to tell you this, leberal, but 10 days is not long to wait for roots. Now if you said "10 weeks", or "10 months", that might be long. Just keep giving it some regular moisture, not too much so as to prevent rot, and give it time.

[leberal]

10x barbara..so hw much time do u think that i would expect new roots?

[Fishmom]

Give it a couple of months or even more. At some point, if you are lucky, you will see a new green nubbin appearing at the base of the plant. If it continues growing, roots will appear from its base.

Do you have access to a seaweed liquid fertilizer? They really seem to promote growth in many plants.

[terra_australis]

I don't think those roots are dead. They are ugly and old, but they still look viable. I would just pot it up and treat it like any other orchid. You may need to stake it to keep it in place because I don't think those roots would provide much stability.

[leberal]

no i cant the fertilizer u mentioned..just to be sure, what makes roots dead and what makes them alive..is it color ?!

[leberal]

10x dan..but when they become humid they dont turn green?so...?

[Fishmom]

I think terra australis is correct, the roots are still viable. Dendrobium roots do not turn the green color that you find on phalaenopsis roots, nor are they silvery when they are dry. White or light brown is more typical in my experience, with a green tip when they are actively growing. If the root is firm when you squeeze it, it is alive. Soft and mushy equals death in most cases. Also, if only the center of the root is there, it looks like a thread, and that is also dead. Your roots look like they could still function, and with good culture they will allow the plant to grow more. It all takes time.

I would put it back in its pot, which has fresh medium from when you re-potted before, and just leave it be for a while. Monitor the moisture carefully, allowing it to go mostly dry before watering it, and you should have the best chance of seeing new growth.

[koshki]

Hi Leberal, welcome to Orchid Geeks!

Some dendrobiums will bloom several times from the same growth, even after the leaves have fallen off. So don't remove any "back bulbs" unless they are dead.

Your first photo reminded me of what my kingianum looked like when I first got it...over a year ago. It still hasn't bloomed.

If you are impatient for blooms (and who isn't? ), I'd suggest just buying an orchid in bloom now to keep your little one company!

(Did anyone mention that we are a terrible bunch of enablers here?? )

[leberal]

yes i can see that kathrine.. And no i want these to bloom ,it seems my paitence needs to be tested..no pain no gain..but...can't yet they be a little fast ..

[koshki]

Orchids definitely will test your patience! Personally I think lack of patience is why so many of us have seen our collections grow from a couple plants to so many, like mine has, which is now at about 250. I simply can't wait for more blooms, so I increase my odds of having them by getting more plants!

I need patience NOW!

[leberal]

hi again.one of my dends have red veins,why? Is it ok?

[Brooke]

Have you ever considered a good book on Dens or even a good book on general care of all orchids. No one can give you absolute answers from one sentence questions because there are too many Dens with different needs. Sometimes you have to make your best guess and see what happens.

The best thing you can do is get more orchids to grow to keep this lonely Den company.

Brooke

[leberal]

i would appreciated a help rather to comment..!
Considering a "dends" company; well that is the only currently available orchid i can reach,...again help not comment,after all this a blog ?!

[katrina]

leberal -- this is not a blog...this is a forum. It's a place where our members share their experiences, their plants, and yes...help where we can. However, Brooke is right...we can't possible give you all the answers because we aren't there growing your orchids with you. For instance, your most recent question about red veins. I don't know about all our members but I can tell you I have no clue what you are talking about. This is where some research on your own would come in handy. Could be it's nothing...could be it's something that affect plants in your part of the world...could be anything.

It's always best for the grower to do a bit of research on their own. Much of growing orchids involves educated guesses and tweaks for each grow space...the research and learning a grower does on his/her own helps the grower w/those educated guesses and tweaks.

If you'd like to show us a picture, we might be able to help a little more but w/out being able to see it...we have no clue. Still...it's a good idea to do a little research on your own and start learning about the orchids you are growing. We have a thread on books that a lot of members have read and recommend for the beginning grower.

I hope this all makes sense.

[leberal]

ok here my dend with red veins appearing on its cane,so can someone say why?