Warm-growing Bulbos?

[TheBlazingAugust]

I have a few questions for the bulbo masters! I have just recently obtained the urge to diversify the genera I grow within my conditions, and the Bulbo/Cirrho alliance is one of the groups that have caught my interest. I know pretty much nothing about this group, but I would like to learn, a lot! So, I was wondering if you could think of a list of species that are warm growing (up to 30*C max during the summer, average of about 26.5*C during a summer day), have proportionately sized flowers, and have short rhizome lengths. Any help would be much appreciated!

[psyc1210]

Cody- I haven't really taken the time to look up the cultural requirements for most of the Bulbos that I have. I just grab and go!! Most are divisions I received from a very generous OrchidGEEK/local club member. If they eventually don't bloom for me, I'll find them a better home, however for the time being most seem to be doing pretty well. Sorry I can't give you a list of Bulbos that fit your temp requirements, but I can tell you which Bulbos I have right now...

annandalei
auratum 'Other World'
barbigerum 'Aggie'
blumei (2)
corolliferum
Daisy Chain
Elizabeth Ann 'Buckleberry'
fascinator
Frank Smith
frostii
gracillimum
grandiflorum
lasiochilum
lobbii 'Kathy's Gold'
medusae
moniliforme
odontopelatum
veitchianum

Have fun Bulbo shopping!!

Also, I suggest reading Bill Thoms' Bulbo book!

[TheBlazingAugust]

Well, I can't find find it in our city's library, nor any library in my whole province (all of our libraries in my province have connected their resources, so I could get any book from another city), and I am sure that my OS doesn't have one. Shoot, I wish I knew someone who had one I could borrow. Buying it is out of the question, as it was $40 on amazon.com that book had very good ratings!

[Brooke]

I have quite a few Bulbos but none of the cool growing type. To be honest I didn't know there were cool growers.

Any of the ones in the old Cirrhopetalum family should fit your description.

Does anyone remember what Thoms charged for his CD only?

Brooke

[TheBlazingAugust]

Well, that just goes to show how little I know about this group! But if I have the want to learn, then I WILL learn! But, seeing that it will be impossible to get a hold of that Bulbo book, I will need all the info from YOU people! If you peoples out there could post some pics of a few of yours with some basic culture (potting, light, watering, fertilizing, and the basics), I would be VERY greatful! And if so, this thread will also be a great resource to those in the future looking for culture info on this giant genus! Thanks a TON!

[ChryssM]

Cody, the Bill Thoms CD was $20. And I also am not aware of any cool growers. I do like JoBeth and give them all basically the same environment. When I see that one isn't doing so well I adjust its micro climate, lower/raise it to the light or move it until I see an improvement. If it first blooms and I don't really like it, I sell or give it away. That's RARE in the Bulb or Ctsm categories !

Are we in the USA allowed to send plants in to you or is there a quarantine period that kills most plants situation there ?
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[Leafmite]

This was a group that has never interested me but someone gave me medusea at the last meeting so I am suddenly combing the Internet for more info. Some of the other orchids I recieved have no identification and aren't familiar and I really hope they aren't more unpleasently scented bulbo's!
Leafmite

[Brooke]

How 'bout this - search the forum in the species section and you will find lots of pictures and there should be a few in the hybrid section. Many times the growing info is available with the picture - if not, ask the poster or the rest of the forum for the info.

The best option for you is to search the Canadian vendors to see what is available and then ask specific questions on the forum to see if anyone else has it. I have 80-ish Bulbos but it won't help you if you can't get it in your area.

Brooke

[ChryssM]

Leafmite, a lot of them aren't ! I have one that's supposed to be a real nasty but I sniffed it when it bloomed and I had to get my nose almost touching it before I noticed that the fragrance wasn't that pleasant ! So I don't do that anymore and it WASN'T even strong at all ! The single bloom was 12 -14" long and well worth the price ! That is echinolabium.

Don't be afraid to try them ! If they stink so bad you can't put up with it, give it to a "friend" ! HaHaHa !
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[TheBlazingAugust]

Thanks for the idea Brooke! I will put together a list of the ones available. Okay, so here they are. They are all from the same place, few are MS, some LS, and the rest NBS and BS. There is about 30 of them, so I will just post a link to the list. >http://www.cloudsorchids.com/bulbos.htm

[psyc1210]

Wow, that Bulb. echinolabium X foetidum, I want that!!

[psyc1210]

...And the Bulb Meen Legend Jewel....and the Bulb nymphopolitanum.

Thanks a lot, now I have to add more to my wish list!!!

[TheBlazingAugust]

Shoot! What have I done! Not only have I enabled others, but I have become extremely tempted to drop the current order of my four top notch phals for $300, and get around 13 Bulbo's instead with that money! AHHHHH!!! I need someone to help me think straight, and NOT enable me, if that is even possible on this site!

[rcb]

couple of thoughts, you listed your summer day temps, but really what would your winter night temps be on average?

also, many of these like a good bit of light, so will you be able to provide that in the winter?

My opinion 13 Bulbos vs 4 Phals....... no hesitation go for the bulbos.

[ChryssM]

Yes, those with stiff upright leaves require more light. I grow all 29 of mine under lights and only put 1 outside in filtered light to observe.
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[TheBlazingAugust]

I am not quite so sure about my winter temps, but I could give you a pretty good guess. When I only had them on the floor with one light, I would say it was about 22-23*C during the day, with about 50-60% hum, and down to about 19-20*C at night. I don't think I can drop the phals, because I want them a LOT also! Three of them are ones I have wanted for a VERY long time, and the other one looks very nice and would be good to breed with. I just can't really bring myself to drop the order, especially because there will be wasted time and effort on the other side (the person I am ordering from). The nursery with the Bulbo's ships weekly until October, so I still have a while to order, which means another three paychecks, and various other sources of money. Once I put it this way, I am able to hold a stronger resolve to stick with the phals!

[TheBlazingAugust]

Ooops, I also forgot to mention that I could easily give them consistent light, as I grow them in my closet under AL (artificial light). Like I said, I am not quite so sure about the temps, but they are most likely a little warmer. It could even be around 24*C during the day.

[TheBlazingAugust]

OH! You EVIL PEOPLE!! You have lead me astray and tempted me, and I have fallen to your enablement! I have struck one of the four off my list that I can live without! That now gives me $85 free bucks, which will go to my Bulbo fund!

[ChryssM]

OMG Cody, I can't believe I'm doing this but . . where are you maybe getting the Bulbos from ?? Just my instincts. or a need for a different FIX !!! I need to join an OA (Orchids Anonymous) !!!
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[TheBlazingAugust]

I would be getting them from Cloud's Orchids in Ontario, Canada. They are actually in Jordan Station, which is 10 mins away from Niagara Falls. So a person in the U.S. COULD drive there, buy stuff in person, and then drive back claiming them as houseplants, which is perfectly legal. There website is > Cloud's Orchids

[TheBlazingAugust]

Okay, so here is the list of the ones I want to buy! Most of them are LS, some are MS, NBS, and I think a couple are BS. So they are:

Bulbo. carunculatum v. sulawesi
Bulbo. claptonense
Bulbo. dentiferum
Bulbo. lepanthiflorum x annandalei
Bulbo. macraei
Bulbo. (lasiochilum x bicolor)
Bulbo. ([longissimum x frostii] x bicolor)
Bulbo. nymphopolitanum
Bulbo. palawenense
Bulbo. (sanguineopunctatum x bicolor)

I have been so engrossed with OCD (Orchid Collection Dysfunction: the need to obtain orchids until you cannot have any more) and OF (Orchid Fever: the feeling of absolute desperation in the need to get a certain type of orchid. Typified by obsessive thoughts on that type of orchid, sweating when thinking about getting that orchid, and depression when you must wait to get that type of orchid. If not treated soon, OF can turn into Orchid Hysteria, where you cannot perform any but the most basic tasks because you are so consumed with getting that type of orchid), that I am HEAVILY considering postponing my Phal order to get the above 10 Bulbo's. Do you people think I am crazy? Should I go for it? I am most definitely sure I have the conditions to grow them, and their culture sounds very similar to phals. I think I am going to jump soon and I don't think anyone can stop me! If there are any species in there that you have, I would love to hear about their particularities! Oh, the things being carefree without any bills to pay can do! It sure is better to be like this about orchids instead of actual drugs, that's how I like to think of it!

[ChryssM]

I have 2 varieties of the specie lasiochilum, the yellow kind blooms regularly for me and the dark kind is new and hasn't. They like to be watered frequently. I call him my "little man" plant because that's what the bloom looks like to me !

I have the nymphopolitanum and I just had a stern talking to with it yesterday because I've had it for 1.5 years, it's growing like a weed, healthy as can be with great looking pbulbs and hasn't bloomed yet ! What can I say, I'd go for it but then, Bulbos are my #2 species !!!
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[TheBlazingAugust]

Like I stated, I have OCD and OF clouding my judgement right now, so I am going to buy them. Now I just have to wait until my mom gets home so I can use her credit card! (I DO have the money required to purchase these, in case you were wondering. These are a killer deal, all ten for about $185!)

[katrina]

I have carunculatum and it's a BIG plant. Clumpy yes, but not small at all. My leaves are every bit of 12+" tall and the spikes can get even taller. It's a sequential so the spikes keeps growing and growing and growing. Plus, it needs a good deal more than phal light to bloom.

Mine is in a 10" net basket lined w/sphag...bottom filled w/leca...middle contains a mix of sphag and chunky bits...and it sits in a saucer of water 24/7. Oh, and it sits right next to my catts. Likes it warm, wet and very bright.

[psyc1210]

Originally Posted by ChryssM

I have 2 varieties of the specie lasiochilum, the yellow kind blooms regularly for me and the dark kind is new and hasn't. They like to be watered frequently. I call him my "little man" plant because that's what the bloom looks like to me !

I have the nymphopolitanum and I just had a stern talking to with it yesterday because I've had it for 1.5 years, it's growing like a weed, healthy as can be with great looking pbulbs and hasn't bloomed yet ! What can I say, I'd go for it but then, Bulbos are my #2 species !!!
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Whaaaattt?!? WHEN you have a division of nymphopolitanum, let me know!

[TheBlazingAugust]

Have any of you ever caught OCD or OF for a Bulbo?

[Leafmite]

Thanks, Chryss,
I won't worry about the medusea and any of the others, then,
Leafmite

[ChryssM]

Whaaaattt?!? WHEN you have a division of nymphopolitanum, let me know!

Deal !

Cody, you'll have to expand the acronyms so I can answer !!

[TheBlazingAugust]

They are what I had wrote in post #21. OCD is Orchid Collecting Dysfunction, and OF is Orchid Fever! You can read the specifics of them in that post.

[Stitz]

Originally Posted by TheBlazingAugust

I have been so engrossed with OCD (Orchid Collection Dysfunction: the need to obtain orchids until you cannot have any more) and OF (Orchid Fever: the feeling of absolute desperation in the need to get a certain type of orchid. Typified by obsessive thoughts on that type of orchid, sweating when thinking about getting that orchid, and depression when you must wait to get that type of orchid. If not treated soon, OF can turn into Orchid Hysteria, where you cannot perform any but the most basic tasks because you are so consumed with getting that type of orchid), that I am HEAVILY considering postponing my Phal order to get the above 10 Bulbo's. Do you people think I am crazy? Should I go for it? I am most definitely sure I have the conditions to grow them, and their culture sounds very similar to phals. I think I am going to jump soon and I don't think anyone can stop me! If there are any species in there that you have, I would love to hear about their particularities! Oh, the things being carefree without any bills to pay can do! It sure is better to be like this about orchids instead of actual drugs, that's how I like to think of it!

Cody, Have you considered discussing this with your parents/responsible adults? I think that you might gain from sharing your thoughts with those who are closest to you.

My humble thoughts....


--Stitz--

[TheBlazingAugust]

Originally Posted by Stitz

Cody, Have you considered discussing this with your parents/responsible adults? I think that you might gain from sharing your thoughts with those who are closest to you.

My humble thoughts....


--Stitz--

Ok, I do have to admit that I was over reacting, as it is not like this in reality! I am in no serious way addicted as a person would be addicted to drugs, and I am in no way an actual druggy! It is more excitement that compelled me to buy all of these at once, as I am eager to expand my collection and grow more 'chids! It was also a killer deal, and in my thinking it is better to get a bunch at once if I can afford it, then a few at a time, which will be wasting tons of money on extra shipping. I really don't think anything this drastic would happen again, as this was for my birthday and I felt like treating myself to something special. My parents do know that I am getting all of these, and they are fine with it. After reading through that post, I do agree it sounds a little over the top, so I will try to keep it calmer in the future. I do appreciate the concern, though.

[psyc1210]

Originally Posted by TheBlazingAugust

I am in no serious way addicted as a person would be addicted to drugs,

I don't know.....Addicted To Orchids - CBS News

[TheBlazingAugust]

That article was HILARIOUS!!! There was also a LOT of spelling mistakes! Paphiopedalum was spelt wrong several times, and they were different each time!

[ArtGeekMark]

Our bulbos have certainly been enjoying their summer of humidity hanging from the crab apple tree in our back yard. Each has had amazing growth this first summer with us!

We have:
medusae
Elizabeth Ann 'Buckleberry'
Wayne Oyama
and we just got fascinator two weeks ago!

[psyc1210]

Originally Posted by TheBlazingAugust

That article was HILARIOUS!!! There was also a LOT of spelling mistakes! Paphiopedalum was spelt wrong several times, and they were different each time!

Paphiopedilum

[ChryssM]

Paphiopedalum was spelt wrong several times

Yeh, Cody, I guess it WAS SPELT wrong !!!
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[TheBlazingAugust]

OMG!!!! I KNEW I spelt it wrong! I thought it looked funny, but it wasn't until I had left the house to go somewhere that I remembered how it was spelt! I HATE making spelling mistakes!

[Stitz]

Originally Posted by ChryssM

Yeh, Cody, I guess it WAS SPELT wrong !!!
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Chryss, I dunno....my Webster's includes "spelt" as an acceptable variation. I didn't find it in my Oxford, though

AND, I found a reference on the INTERNET, where anyone can find just about anything! Spelt | Define Spelt at Dictionary.com



--Stitz--

[katrina]

Stitz and Chryss -- I have Canadian friends...when it comes to spelling, American versions and Canadian versions aren't always the same. I don't know for sure but it could be "spelt" is an acceptable variation up there and that's why Cody isn't picking up on your jibe.

[TheBlazingAugust]

Yeah, that went completely over my head! I always say and spell it 'spelt.' The only other major difference I can think of is the 'ou' in some words compared to just the 'o' for you guys. Colour is the only one I can think of right know, but more will hit me eventually!

[Dendian]

That is because we Americans do NOT speak English - we speak (and write) American. Canadians actually are closer to speaking English than we are - they are still an English Colony (I believe). We aint - and we have changed the language the settlers spoke into something different - similar - but different. Just enough to confuse any English speaking person occasionally. And now with the internet speak - and the new generation - well... our American language is still evolving.

[TheBlazingAugust]

I would say that English is not only evolving, but devolving. You have the normal progression of a language, new spelling, pronunciation, and even new words. And then there is the devolving side due to less than good education, the technology simplified lifestyles, and various other reasons, which has created a mess of the English language!

[Stitz]

Originally Posted by TheBlazingAugust

Yeah, that went completely over my head! I always say and spell it 'spelt.' The only other major difference I can think of is the 'ou' in some words compared to just the 'o' for you guys. Colour is the only one I can think of right know, but more will hit me eventually!

"theatre" and "metre" and others with similar spelling also. I have traveled Canada, coast-to-coast, from BC to Nova Scotia throughout my life. I don't even bother to try to use "correct" English spellings according to my location. It's too confusing. If you don't like it, TS !

The GOOD news? Canadians drive on the "right" side of the roadway. Geez, the first time that I was confronted with driving a stick shift in Scotland was almost a major disaster! Fortunately, the population survived!!

--Stitz--

[TheBlazingAugust]

Hmmm, I am not sure where the 're' usage is centralized, but I use 'er,' so it would be theater and meter. Yeah, there are only a few other countries other than England that drives on the left side of the road. Another normal thing about Canada is that we use Celsius! I think that there is only a few countries that haven't converted to the more normal Celsius scale, and the US is one of them.

[Stitz]

Originally Posted by TheBlazingAugust

Hmmm, I am not sure where the 're' usage is centralized, but I use 'er,' so it would be theater and meter. Yeah, there are only a few other countries other than England that drives on the left side of the road. Another normal thing about Canada is that we use Celsius! I think that there is only a few countries that haven't converted to the more normal Celsius scale, and the US is one of them.

Are there independent countries other than the USA which use Fahrenheit rather than Celsius (Centigrade) ? I'm not looking for political entities such as Puerto Rico or the US Virgin Islands which are considered to be a "Territory" of the US.

hahaha!
theatre/theater: Maybe, the French-Canadian influence affects my exposure? It is certainly more pervasive than many people in North America will admit, including Canadians!

-OR-,

perhaps Saskatoon, Saskatchewan is more affected by American spelling than "We" are aware? Of course, I used the Royal "We"

--Stitz--

[TheBlazingAugust]

No, it think it has something to do with our school. I go to a private/church school, and we have what is called ACE. In ACE, students work in individual booklets called Paces, you have 12 Paces per grade per subject. They are one average 35 pages for the younger grades, and about 50 for the higher grades. Since ACE is an American made course, you have some American speaking and writing influence from that.

[Bolero]

Originally Posted by TheBlazingAugust

Well, I can't find find it in our city's library, nor any library in my whole province (all of our libraries in my province have connected their resources, so I could get any book from another city), and I am sure that my OS doesn't have one. Shoot, I wish I knew someone who had one I could borrow. Buying it is out of the question, as it was $40 on amazon.com that book had very good ratings!

It's a great book and he knows his stuff. I paid about $35 for it on Amazon but it must have gone up in price, keep an eye on it as it may come on special. I know it seems like a lot of money but compared to many other orchid books it isn't...........I highly recommend you get one if you can save for it.

[ChryssM]

I would say that English is not only evolving, but devolving. You have the normal progression of a language, new spelling, pronunciation, and even new words. And then there is the devolving side due to less than good education, the technology simplified lifestyles, and various other reasons, which has created a mess of the English language!

Whoa there Cody !!! We don't speak English here !!! We speak AMERICAN !!! Like, dude, it's totally RAD !!! NowhutImeen ???

Sorry, Dian, I was reading the new posts back to front !!! Very similar to how we speak, continually Evolving not like English !!!

Chryss, I dunno....my Webster's includes "spelt" as an acceptable variation.

Hey, Stitz, can I borrow your CANADIAN Webster ?? I've got a lot of FRENCH words I'd like translated !!

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[Stitz]

Originally Posted by ChryssM

Hey, Stitz, can I borrow your CANADIAN Webster ?? I've got a lot of FRENCH words I'd like translated !!
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Chryss, My immediate French reference is COLLINS French*English, English*French DICTIONARY, printed 1983. If that isn't good enough, ask Mira-Claude from Montreal!

--Stitz--

[Dendian]

Chryss, when u start reading from right to left - then u will have truly evolved - and learnt Japanese! --

Ok - enuff off topic language stuff - back to the BULBOS!

[TheBlazingAugust]

I agree, it was interesting to see how the convo slowly changed subject. Funny how it went from an simply inquiry about Bulbo's to language! Okay, so I slog Ty changed my order and switched one Bulbo for a different one, so here is my list of what is getting shipped on Monday:

Bulbo. carunculatum v. sulawesi
Bulbo. claptonense
Bulbo. dentiferum
Bulbo. (lepanthiflorum x annandalei)
Bulbo. macraei
Bulbo. (lasiochilum x bicolor)
Bulbo. ([longissimum x frostii] x bicolor)
Bulbo. nymphopolitanum
Bulbo. (sanguineopunctatum x bicolor)
Bulbo. (lepidum x medusae)

So, if any one has some of the above species, I would LOVE to see pics of the plant and flowers if you have any!

[Dendian]

Does it count if I don't have any of those - but I would love half of them too?

I tried to get the dentiferum with my last eBay round.. she didn't have any divisions ready. I did get a lilacinum (wanted one for years - thanks Brooke), a vaginatum, a longiflorum and a cocoinum. Any advanced data on growing these would be appreciated also. All are "blooming" sized divisions.

[TheBlazingAugust]

Ooooooo! I want a lilacinum and a vaginatum! There are a few other Bulbo's that I want to get, but I need to buy those phals that I was planning on buying first. All I have to say is imagine the size of my first order after the 'Winter Wait,' when this order is about a month and a half of saving up!

[Brooke]

This is what I know about your list -

There is no carunculata v. sulawesii - it should be one or the other. I have both, grow them both the same way, wet, warm and high light. The carunculata is a little bigger than the sulawesii - pbulbs grow tight to each, leaves grow straight up, spikes are tall.

The claptonense is currently named lobbii. I have it out there, somewhere, but don't think I've bloomed it.

Dentiferum grows wet, warm and high light - I found spikes on it yesterday. There should be a pic of it on the forum.

I have a couple of annandalei, easy bloomer, wet, warm and high light, I don't know anything about the lepantheflorum.

I have the lasiochilum and I grow it lower light, keep it wet spring thru fall, and in winter I let it dry out and then water it. My bicolor grows wet, warm and almost high light, has massive foliage and it has given me one bloom.

The longi x frostii x bicolor cross - I have all three, a couple of blooms on the longi, I've already complained about the bicolor and the frostii hates me. It gives me one or two blooms each year with one, maybe two blooms per spike.

The lepidum x medusae cross has been named - Worayuth White Fang. I got one bloom two years ago so have increased the light, it grows great foliage. If I have time I will post a pic of the bloom later. It's a pretty bloom, only lasted about a week.

Brooke