Registered names and future crosses

[brianb]

As many of you know I am new to orchids, but I am curious with respect to breeding.

By way of example, I have Dendrobium Haldis Morterud a Singapore orchid which was registered in 2010. It's parents are Den. Violaceoflavens X Den. Ginny Kirkwood.

If I had both the parents and bred/crossed them would the offspring look identical to Haldis Morterud and if not would I need to call it by that name or should it be registered under a different name?

Brianb

[kmarch]

Hi Brianb. If you had those two parents and crossed them, all offspring of that cross would be Dendrobium Haldis Morterud regardless of how they looked. Orchid hybrids are not registered and named based on how they look but strictly by their parentage.

Different plants of the same cross, different Dendrobium Haldis Morteruds for example are distinguished through the use of cultivar epithets or cultivar names (also sometimes referred to as clonal names). If you had a Dendrobium Haldis Morterud and got it awarded you would give it a cultivar name to distinguish it from other Dendrobium Haldis Morterud. Cultivar names are places after the hybrid name, are usually in modern English, and appear in single quotation markes like this: Dendrobium Haldis Morterud 'Brianb's Best'. It would also contain the award designation, e.g. AM/AOS.

By the way, Den. violaceoflavens is a species, so no capital "V".

[Forever-mango]

Hello Kevin. With regards to the above question. If someone mericloned say Cym. Khan Flame 'Tuscany' HCC/AOC, would all the mericlones have the HCC/AOC on the name? And how would distinguish the difference between a division of the original, or just a mericlone?

[brianb]

Dr March,

So I get this right. If my home bloomed Haldis Morterud won first place at the monthly South East Asian Orchid Society Show. I could register it on the Sanders List as Haldis Morterud 'Brianb' AOS

Brian

[brianb]

What is the difference between a Hybrid and a mericlone.

[Forever-mango]

Hello Brian, the clonal names are given by breeders or collectors for their prized orchids. In your case 'Brianb'. Most of the time it is given to awarded plants, or plants you think has award potential. When i deflask or purchase plants without a clonal name, i usually give them one when i show them. This clonal name will unique to all the seedling/orchids i have. Sometimes you will see plants with clonal name 'MH-1', Miao Hua Orchids (breeder of orchids in Taiwan) used MH then the number to distinguish the difference in the orchids. They might me still called Paph. insigne, and came from the same parents, the clonal name 'MH-1' and 'MH-2' would have slight differences in the blooms. Well that's what i understand of clonal names.

And with Hybrids and Mericlones. Hybrid is a cross between two individual orchids. While mericlone, is a clone of the specific plant. Like when you cross Den. violaceoflavens X Den. Ginny Kirkwood = Dendrobium Haldis Morterud, all seedlings will be a hybrid and will have slight differences. But, when you mericlone say Dendrobium Haldis Morterud 'Brianb', you should get the exact clones of that plant, and all mericlones would have the name Dendrobium Haldis Morterud 'Brianb' on it.

Mericlones of an awarded plant is usually worth/cost more than the exact remake of the plant. And the division of the original is even more costly. For example Den. Avril's Gold 'Copperpot' mericlones are $25ea (should come out exactly like the original plant), the remakes of Avril's Gold (using the same parents to remake the original - keep in mind all seedlings will come out differently, some will have good shape, red dots etc) these are cheaper, but you really want the division of the original...which prob cost hundreds. I usually buy mericlones if i cannot afford to get a piece of the original.

[kmarch]

Originally Posted by Forever-mango

Hello Kevin. With regards to the above question. If someone mericloned say Cym. Khan Flame 'Tuscany' HCC/AOC, would all the mericlones have the HCC/AOC on the name?

Yes. All divisions and mericlones should carry the full name: Cym. Khan Flame 'Tuscany' HCC/AOC

Originally Posted by Forever-mango

And how would distinguish the difference between a division of the original, or just a mericlone?

You don't really. They're basically the same thing unless something is done in the mericlone process that alters the DNA of the original.

Originally Posted by brianb

So I get this right. If my home bloomed Haldis Morterud won first place at the monthly South East Asian Orchid Society Show. I could register it on the Sanders List as Haldis Morterud 'Brianb' AOS

No you would not register it with the RHS and it would not show up in Sanders. Take a look at Sanders some time and you'll notice it contains no cultivar names. 'Brianb' is a cultivar name. The RHS only registers the grex (hybrid name). Your award and the cultivar name you give it would be registered in the awards registry of whatever institution it was that awarded it. So if it wass awarded by the AOS your cultivar name, award designation would be recorded in Awards Quarterly.

Originally Posted by brianb

What is the difference between a Hybrid and a mericlone.

You can find definitions for both terms in our glossary of orchid terms:
http://www.orchidgeeks.com/forum/glo...-orchid-terms/

[brianb]

Kevin, Stephen,

Thanks for the info. Closing up on the issue. If I have a plant where I can use both the cultivar name and its awards on the label, then I have either a division of the award winning plant or it's Mericlone. If I have a plant of the same parents of the award plant but it is an unproven division or Mericlone, then I cannot add the cultivar name and it's awards to my plants label. Did I understand the lesson?

Brian

[kmarch]

Originally Posted by brianb

If I have a plant where I can use both the cultivar name and its awards on the label, then I have either a division of the award winning plant or it's Mericlone.

Or it's a plant that you yourself got awarded.

Originally Posted by brianb

If I have a plant of the same parents of the award plant but it is an unproven division or Mericlone, then I cannot add the cultivar name and it's awards to my plants label. Did I understand the lesson?

That's correct, if you have a plant that has the same parents, it takes the same grex (hybrid name) but not the cultivar names.