named phal care???

[mattryan]

Hello everyone i have enjoyed reading lots of pots on everything related to phals. They have helped me tremendously. I started with 1 a year ago yada yada yada...now have 19. I did lose 1 but have several that are well on their road to re-covery so thankyou everyone for your posts . I have 7 that i really would like to spike this yr....they all have had excellent root and leaf growth. They are all noids...so hoping for the best. My :question is i have 1 named phal P. Tying Shin Saul from what i understand when can i expect it to flower again?. History of this phal i purchased it july 24th 1 spike in bloom. Now being sept 10th it has grown 1 leaf and i see new root growth as well. I re-potted it the day i got it out of shag and into bark. It has lost 2 blooms...i wish i could post pic..but newbie so can't..Is it a summer bloomer of fall i have no idea where to look to find out . Any help would be appreiciated

[katsrevenge]

Simple answer.. all being well, next fall.

Phals generally only spike in the fall. When they sell them in bloom the plant has been forced into blooming out of season.

The ones I bought last year as they were leaving bloom I'm watching like a hawk for spikes. The ones I bought recently.. I'm just feeding and caring for so they can recover from this years bloom.

[tangers40]

not necessarily. some phals are dedicated spring bloomers, some are dedicated summer bloomers. it all depends on the plant's genetics, which when you have a hybrid can get long and convoluted.

long story short, i really can't tell you when to expect new spikes on your plant, since i still haven't figured out my own i have a couple that prefer to bloom more than once a year, so which category do you lump them into? anyway, i would suggest giving your phal typical fall-spiking conditions (allow it to cool off by about 10 degrees each night) and see what happens. you never know, yours might become one of those multiple-times-a-year ones too. chances are if it bloomed in july this year, it'll be hesitant to bloom again already, but there again, you never know.

[mattryan]

Thankyou for the help...i think i will let this 1 do it's thing where is it..it's doing great so i willnot push it and wait and see. I have another question that is probaly very silly, but here goes...does it matter how many hrs the temp is 55-60 F/night?... I live in canada and it cools off too quickly i am leaving my 1's that i am trying to spike in a bedroom with window open, but can only do it for a couple hrs every night before it gets too cold and i have to close the window. Sorry for these silly questions but this is my first time trying to get my phals to spike. I picked only the strongest of the bunch that i have to try this..Thankyou for any imput!

[mehitabel]

Hi, Mattryann. I looked up Tying Shin Saul in Orchidwiz to see what its parentage was, and couldn't find it there. So I'm very sorry I can't answer your question about when it may bloom again based on ancestry.

However, this summary might help you some:

Phals with the large, thin-textured, tissuey flowers in white, pink or stripes on tallish spikes tend to set spikes in fall. This is a fairly definite rule because these phals have a heavy percent of ancestry in species phals with a definite seasonal tendency. They are stimulated to bloom by the cool/long nights or cool/short days of Fall.

Among the yellows, those with the biggest blooms with tissuey flowers also tend to have a fall-spiking season. These are called "Standards".

Phals with waxy flowers in yellow, oranges or magenta; harlequins with smaller, waxier flowers, and those phals with shortish spikes tend to be summer bloomers or at least to not require the fall season to stimulate spiking. These have a heavy ancestry of summer bloomers. The spike usually has fewer flowers on it than Standards produce, as well as the shorter spike and at least slightly smaller flowers. Actually, I find these setting spikes more or less on a continual basis, a new spike forming while they are still in bloom. These are called "Novelties".

Multi-floras, with lots and lots of flowers can set spikes nearly any time. Mine mostly set spike in fall to about January as I recall.

So it will depend on what your TS Saul actually looks like what type it is.

For the rest, just concentrate on growing your phals as well as you possibly can. With new leaf and new roots, it sounds like you are already doing well at this. For more blooming, more frequently, if you can increase the light level for your phals this tends to stimulate spiking in any phal that is ready and able to do it.

[mehitabel]

Originally Posted by mattryan

..does it matter how many hrs the temp is 55-60 F/night?... I live in canada and it cools off too quickly i am leaving my 1's that i am trying to spike in a bedroom with window open, but can only do it for a couple hrs every night before it gets too cold and i have to close the window. ...

If your phals are in a sunny window, you will find the temp in the window at night to be quite a bit lower than the temp during the day, even with the window closed. So you don't need to keep the window open, and frankly, I wouldn't. One slip up and the poor thing will have a lot of cold stress on it, which can weaken it and hold it back for a year or more.

I keep my unbloomed phals outside in summer and for a month or so in fall, but I have many blooming phals that set spikes in their sunny windows all thru fall and on into about April or May.

There is some academic research that indicates that it is coolish *days* (days under 75F) that trigger spiking in Standards. But definitely, increasing the light makes a big difference as well. I find that happens more or less naturally for phals in a window-- as the sun goes lower in the sky it stays in the window longer, and the phals get a longer period of sun than they do in high summer.

So give them the best sunny window you have, grow them as well as you can, and they'll do their thing when they're ready.

Good luck. I hope you'll post about it when you start to see spikes!

[kmarch]

Originally Posted by mehitabel

...I looked up Tying Shin Saul ...and couldn't find it ...

I checked the RHS database. No orchid has yet been registered with this name. There are LOTS of Tying Shin ________ phals, 67 to be exact, but no Tying Shin Saul. It's possible the registration is pending. It' also possible that Tying Shin Saul is just a made up name that's been slapped on. Given how many registrations this breeder has though, I'm guessing it's pending.

[mattryan]

Thanks everyone you've been extremely helpful in more ways than you know!..It is a bummer that my 1 and only named phal is a dud lol...but i love all of them I unfortunately don't have any windowsills' i know unreal!..I have all of them in a southern facing bedroom with a sliding glass door and i did take them oustide all summer (my and their first yr) but i brought them in every night (hates bugs). I have a thermometer in bedroom that i have phals i am trying to spike so i am being very carefull not to let temp get too low....Does it matter how many hrs they have the low temps/night? Thanks again everyone you have helped this newbie more than you will ever know!

[kmarch]

Originally Posted by mattryan

Thanks everyone you've been extremely helpful in more ways than you know!..It is a bummer that my 1 and only named phal is a dud lol..

Well we don't know that for sure yet. Like I said it might be a registration that is pending. I'd recommending checking the RHS database (there are threads here on the forum that give links to it and tell you how to use it) maybe once a month or so to see if it shows up.

Originally Posted by mattryan

Does it matter how many hrs they have the low temps/night? Thanks again everyone you have helped this newbie more than you will ever know!

When you say "low temps at night," How low are you talking about?

[mattryan]

Here's a pic of my tying shin saul. Maybe someone recognises(sp) it. It has since grown and new leaf and some roots...but lost 2 blooms..but hey i haven't killed it thanks again everyone!

[mattryan]

Sorry i didn't see last post 60 F that's what i've read...since i am completely new to this i figure that should be low enough and if nothing happens maybe they aren't ready this yr and i will try increasing light and try 60 F again and hope n pray Thanks again!

[mattryan]

Sorry to clog up this post thankyou mehitabel i was reading a post that you did awhile ago and it helped me alot my tying shin saul is a waxy phal it also goes along the lines that you posted up there. Having all noids except this 1 it helps to determine when i should attempt to try for a spike. I know with being noids you can never tell exactly, but this helps alot! I would really like to get a spike on 1 of my phals before i attempt to jump in with an expensive orchid and besides my hubby thinks i can't get a spike (actually he's surprised i haven't killed more than just the 1 so far lol)...so when (if) it happens i will be as excited as when i had my 2 boys lol. Thanks again everyone

[kmarch]

Originally Posted by mattryan

Sorry i didn't see last post 60 F that's what i've read...since i am completely new to this i figure that should be low enough and if nothing happens maybe they aren't ready this yr and i will try increasing light and try 60 F again and hope n pray Thanks again!

Phals are intermediate to warm growers so you probably wouldnt' want it to get much below about 55-60 or so. 60F should be good. What you want is a diurnal temp of about 10-15F. A diurnal temperature is the difference between the daytime high and the night time low. So you're looking for a day-night temp difference of about 10-15F while keeping the night temp above about 55-60F.

[mattryan]

Thankyou Kmarch i will keep them no lower than 60F and hope for something. Thankyou soo much for looking up my phal for me you have been most helpful. Everyone has been so helpful and kind..with probably very dumb questions on my part, many thanks again!

[tangers40]

no such thing as dumb questions on here. everyone was new to this hobby once. believe me, i've asked my fair share of ridiculous questions on here (lol ask kmarch, he had to answer most of them for me). but that's how you learn! never be afraid to ask questions.