Learning a new language.

[CulpableCaptive]

I wasn't sure what category to place this question:

With my growing interest in 'mini' orchids I need help or direction as to where to find the general parentage which coincides with abbreviations before the orchid name. Is there such a glossary? and where might I find it? Thanks.

One I have not been able to find is 'Eplc'.
Anyone know what the background of this diminutive orchid might be?

Eplc Pixie Charm

[kmarch]

Eplc. is Epilaeoliacattleya, an intergeneric made by crossing Epidendrum, Laelia, and Cattleya. There is a good key to abbreviations somewhere on the web. Its been referred to several times here on the web but I can't seem to find it for some reason. I'm sure another member has it handy and can link to it.

[davetheorchidaddict]

here some web sites to check out that have the information that you want:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Orchid_genera; http://www.notsogreenthumb.org/orchi...html:dontknow:

Any one of these will have the information you are looking for, there has been some reclassification of genera in the last year or so you can always check the Royal Horticulture Listings for some specific orchids because all named orchids are registerd there. Good luck, it will come to you in time, I remember how confused I was when I started but I learned with time and old time growers and hobbiest are very helpful, just ask. Nobody ever laughed at me even if I am funny looking.

[kip]

try here..

kip your link shows this This Account Has Been Suspended

[CulpableCaptive]

Originally Posted by kmarch

Eplc. is Epilaeoliacattleya, an intergeneric made by crossing Epidendrum, Laelia, and Cattleya. There is a good key to abbreviations somewhere on the web. Its been referred to several times here on the web but I can't seem to find it for some reason. I'm sure another member has it handy and can link to it.

You are good! Very good. Thanks


THANK YOU ALL FOR THE INFO AND SITES. Very helpful indeed.


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[CulpableCaptive]

Originally Posted by kip

try here..

I 'bookmarked' this site - I had no idea.
There must be thousands.
Thank you very much. It will make things "a-lot-bit-easier" for me.


This glossary is terrific........

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[jerrymeola]

I would like to point out that a great many of the Epidendrum have been reclassified as Encyclia. This especially applies to the Eplc hybrids. Since the Epidendrum that are most popular for hybrids are now Encyclia.

Eplc is now often Ctyl Cattleya Laelia Encyclia
Epc is now Cty

The plant has not changed just the name. You would have to check on each plant to see if its parents require the name change. Most commercial tags still use the old nomenclature, so if you are buying a plant by name you may need to check both.

[CulpableCaptive]

Originally Posted by kmarch

Eplc. is Epilaeoliacattleya, an intergeneric made by crossing Epidendrum, Laelia, and Cattleya. There is a good key to abbreviations somewhere on the web. Its been referred to several times here on the web but I can't seem to find it for some reason. I'm sure another member has it handy and can link to it.

I am not being ungrateful in any way but after looking up 'Eplc' on the site recommended by 'kip', the proper spelling for Eplc is 'Epilaeliocattleya'.
I thought you might want to make a note of it.

Thanks again........ you are helpful in so many ways. It is a pleasure meeting people like yourself who are so willing to share knowledge.
I know, in many 'businesses' and 'fields', everything is a deep dark secret.
By telling me the crosses I was able to begin my research.

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[CulpableCaptive]

Originally Posted by davetheorchidaddict

here some web sites to check out that have the information that you want:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Orchid_genera; http://www.notsogreenthumb.org/orchi...html:dontknow:

Any one of these will have the information you are looking for, there has been some reclassification of genera in the last year or so you can always check the Royal Horticulture Listings for some specific orchids because all named orchids are registerd there. Good luck, it will come to you in time, I remember how confused I was when I started but I learned with time and old time growers and hobbiest are very helpful, just ask. Nobody ever laughed at me even if I am funny looking.

I came across a site which noted one of the changes you mentioned.
Eplc or 'Epilaeliocattleya'
has been changed to
Shy 'Sophroprosleya'
as if things weren't confusing enough.

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[davetheorchidaddict]

You will find orchid prople are willing to share and help others in the addiction. One of the first things that I learned after stumbling along on my own for a couple of years was do not be afraid to ask anyone, including AOS judges.

[PhalPal]

Captive it's not only learning a new language, it's learning a language that keeps changing.

At a show I happened to ask a simple question of a man that was standing next to me. He not only answered my question, but he led me all over the exibition room showing me specific plants and ribbons and explaining what they meant. Turns out he was an AOS judge, and he spent over 30 minutes teaching me stuff. I find that most orchid people are more than willing to share their knowledge and enthusiasm freely.

One of the reasons I like to go to shows is not only to buy good stuff, but I strike up conversations with the vendors and always learn something new. I call them 'private lessons!'

[kmarch]

Originally Posted by jerrymeola

I would like to point out that a great many of the Epidendrum have been reclassified as Encyclia.

Yes some are now Encyclia, some Prostechea, i think I might be forgetting one or 2 more.

Originally Posted by jerrymeola

Eplc is now often Ctyl Cattleya Laelia Encyclia
Epc is now Cty

Yes some of them are, others have remained the same.
Correct me if I'm wriong, but I believe the combination of:
Encyclia + Cattleya + Laelia = Laeliocattcyclia (Lcl) (I'm doing this off the top of my head so am not 100% sure)
Ctyl = Catcyclia = Cattleya + Encyclia

Epc = Epicattleya = Epidendrum + Cattleya
As Jerry said, some (not all) are now Catcyclia = Cattleya + Encyclia.

Whether it stays Epicattleya or changes to Catcyclia depends on which Epi/Enc species was used. The genera (generic name) for some species was changes but for others it remained the same.

Originally Posted by jerrymeola

The plant has not changed just the name.

More specifically, only the genus has changed, the rest of the name (especially in the case of hybrids) remains the same.

[kmarch]

Originally Posted by CulpableCaptive

I am not being ungrateful in any way but after looking up 'Eplc' on the site recommended by 'kip', the proper spelling for Eplc is 'Epilaeliocattleya'.

No worries, you are quite right to correct me on that point. I'm a stickler for spelling and names so I'd much rather be corrected that have it go and be wrong. I'll go back and edit my original post.

Originally Posted by CulpableCaptive

It is a pleasure meeting people like yourself who are so willing to share knowledge.
I know, in many 'businesses' and 'fields', everything is a deep dark secret

When I was at University studying Education we learned that there are 2 basic fundamental philosophies of teaching (this was back in the early 90's so things may have changed, but anyhooo): One approach says that you have to prove yourself worthy before we'll share our knowledge. Knowledge and understanding are like memberships in an exclusive club and we won't let just anybody in.

The other approach is almost like evangelizing or advertising, it's the belief that knowledge is something that can't be kept to oneself, it's exciting and must be shared far and wide. It's like Good News that everyone must know! It's like the latest product that everyone must have.

The majority (perhaps even VAST majority) of orchidgeek members believe in the second approach as they're always eager to share their enriching knowledge. I've never been involved in an online forum that's quite like this.

[kmarch]

Originally Posted by CulpableCaptive

Eplc or 'Epilaeliocattleya'
has been changed to
Shy 'Sophroprosleya'

Sophroprosleya comes from Sophronitis + Prosthechea + Cattleya
I'll reiterate that, again, not all Eplc are now Shy. Why? Because not all Epidendrums have been changed ot Prosthechea and not all Laelias have been changed ot Sophronitis. Only those hybrids containing Epidendrums that have been changed to Prosthechea and Laelias that have been changed to Sophronitis would now be Shy. ((I'm amused by the abbreviation that's become a word - Shy.))

[CulpableCaptive]

Originally Posted by kip

try here..

kip your link shows this "This Account Has Been Suspended"

I kind of don't understand this.
The following site was were I was sent when I 'clicked' on 'here'.
I think this is exactly where you intended, no?

http://www.orchids.mu/Glossary/Glossary_E.htm

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[kip]

oops. I think we caused too much traffic to the site. I'll try and find another list. I know I have one saved somewhere, maybe it could be hosted here?

[zuri]

Does anyone know much about what genetic/molecular taxonomy is being done on orchids--and more specifically, where this work is being done?

[kmarch]

zuri, there is currently a fair bit of DNA analysis being done on orchid species. It's fast becoming (some might say has become) one of the standard tools in categorizing species. Some of the recent (as in last 5+ years or so) reclassifications (and the name changes that follow) are a result of such analysis. The work is being done in Europe (I've read a couple of articles by Gravendeel on Coelogyne classification) and in the US and I'd imaging other places as well.

To my knowledge there is currently no DNA analysis work begin done to identify hybrids.

[zuri]

Before I got into orchids I busied myself with the study of fungi (mycology). I studied with a mycologist at Duke who was part of the Tree of Life project. His lab was very actively working on molecular taxonomy and was "at war" with the French mycologists because their findings were upsetting existing taxonomic structures, which had been built upon morphology rather than solid genetic relationships. I thought it was incredibly fascinating.

I wondered if the same work isn't being done with orchids. Now I know! A quick google search reveals that in addition to the US and Europe, as you mentioned, Kmarch, some of it is also happening in Japan. Anyone ever heard of Orchid Biology: Reviews and Perspectives? Being the true geek that I am, it excites me to know that academic, and moreover, genetic work is being done on this subject.

Thanks for bringing this to my attention!

[kmarch]

I should add that most of the studies I have seen (which aren't many) that use DNA analysis do not use it exclusively but use it along with other things like morphology and population distribution/geography.

Have you come across studies that use DNA analysis exclusively?

[zuri]

I am not a biologist, but I live with one. Eddie has told me that flowers are a very good identification tool (i.e., you know a birch by its flowers rather than its bark, leaves, growth patterns, etc., though all these aspects can be helpful in making a positive ID), such that it makes sense for flower morphology to play an important part in orchid taxonomy. (Mushroom morphology is another thing altogether! Very closely related species can look nothing alike.)

All this said, I have not come across any studies dealing solely with orchid DNA analysis. But now I am curious and will be looking. I'll let you know what I find...

Kmarch, it is obvious that you know A LOT about orchids. What's your relationship with them?

[kmarch]

Sorry zuri I missed this wuestion until just now.

Originally Posted by zuri

Kmarch, ...What's your relationship with them [orchids]?

I've grown orchids as a hobbyist for about 13 years and have been a judge first in the AOS system (student judge) and then in the AOC system (certified judge) for about 7 years.

[zuri]

Kmarch, that's great. It's obvious in your replies that you are very knowledgeable. We are lucky to have you here.

[Orchidementia]

I find this link to be quite useful:

http://retirees.uwaterloo.ca/~jerry/...AINTER2009.pdf

[zuri]

That IS very useful. I feel compelled to print it out and start an orchid notebook! Thank you!