confusing id tag

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Can anyone help me with this confusing ID tag. It is for my Dendrobium

Dendrobium muary thai x Dendrobium affine x Dendrobium canaliculatum xx Dendrobium canaliculatum


I cannot make up what the real name is.How do i register a new name with this hybrid that has crossed with another plant?
At the RHS register do I copy that long ID tag cross with (say Dendrobium phalaenopsis)

another friend got this e-mail from RHS


Hi, received reply for RHS;

Thank you for your e-mail.

Some of these records are for hybrids that were distributed with a grex name, but were never registered, and the breeder lost or did not keep any records. They might have been used in breeding since, and even have resultedin important breeding lines. If they were all excluded from the register many hybrids that have them in their ancestry would also habve to be deleted.

Occassionally we might accept a hybrid now with unknown parents, if it is needed to register other offspring that need a name, perhaps for marketing or if they have been awarded. As`registrar, I try to be helpful, rather than just unfeelingly apply the rules.


i dont understand what they are trying to imply. Can i register a new cross hybrid with this hybrid? Any help would be appreciated

[kmarch]

There are a couple of issues/questions here:

1) May I register this hybrid?

2) How do I register this hybrid?

First question: May I register this hybrid?

Hybrids generally are registered by the person who bred them. The breeder makes the cross, blooms it, then registers it. Because you are not the breeder, if you want to register this cross you must get the breeder's permission to register and name the cross. In some instances (e.g. you have made an exhaustive effort to track down the breeder with no success) you may register a hybrid if you do not have permission form the breeder. The RHS is the will evaluate the case and decide if you can register the hybrid or not.

Second question: How do I register this hybrid?

A form is available on the RHS website which you can download/print out and send in. It must be completed and accurate.

This is going to be difficult in your case because the info written on yoru tag is quite problematic as it is currently stated. You can not tell from the tag how the parents are grouped. You need to contact the breeder to find out. What I mean by "grouped" is this: a plant (just like a person) can not have 4 biological parents. It can only have 2.

Let me explain further: A cross (x) is used to indicate parents that were crossed:
Paph rothschildianum x Paph philippense

The double cross (XX) is a kind of lazy shorthand that replaces parenthesis:
Paph rothschildianum x Paph philippinense xx Paph lowii
is the same as
(Paph rothschildianum x Paph philippinense) x Paph lowii
This means that an offspring of the roth/phil cross is the one parent and lowii is the other parent.

So your cross of
Dendrobium Muary Thai x Dendrobium affine x Dendrobium canaliculatum xx Dendrobium canaliculatum
is the same as:
(Dendrobium Muary Thai x Dendrobium affine x Dendrobium canaliculatum) x Dendrobium canaliculatum
(Note the capitalization corrections I have made. If you're going to breed and register orchids you absoulutely MUST learn how to properly caplitalize and express orchid names.)

The problem is with the first parent:
Dendrobium Muary Thai x Dendrobium affine x Dendrobium canaliculatum
Since an orchid can not have 3 direct biological parents, two of these must form the basis of one parent, but which two?

Is it:
(Dendrobium Muary Thai x Dendrobium affine) x Dendrobium canaliculatum
or is it:
Dendrobium Muary Thai x (Dendrobium affine x Dendrobium canaliculatum)
You have to sort this out before the plant can be registered because these are 2 different grexes.

Contact the place where you bought the plant and see if they can get you in touch with the nursery that bred the plant.

Unfortunately your problems don't stop there. There is no orchid registered under the name Muary Thai. The problem could be either:
1) the grex was given by the breeder but not registered (bad breeder, shame on you), or
2) the tag is misspelled. There is a plant registered under the name Den. Muang Thai which with careless attention and/or bad handwriting could easily become Muary Thai.

The problem is that before you can sort out the parentage for registration you must sort this out and find out if this plant is indeed Den. Muang Thai or not.

All of this is going to be an incredible amopunt of work requiring much patience to contact the breeders and sort it all out. If you want to name an orchid, I suggest buying and breeding with one that doesn't have these name issues.

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thank you!