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11-17-2007, 12:01 AM
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| Is this a crown rotting ? I purchased this online last week, the leaf's color is yellow pinkish. This morning after I misted the plants, I found a dark spot right in the middle of the plant, the inside base of the leaf where the new leaf come out. looks like there is a crake. Is this crown rotting? Should I give any special care ? Thanks, Jim      |
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11-17-2007, 12:18 AM
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| Doesn't look good to me, misting is fine if you make sure the crown gets completely dried out, and I am guessing it did not. I would stop all misting now, and let the plant dry out a bit before watering. You can pour peroxide into the crown to hopefully dry it out, and get rid of any rot. I am not sure if this is going to help or not, it is the early stages, but with crown rot it can spread really fast. I would also pour cinnamon down into the crown after it has dried from the peroxide, you can facilitate drying by putting a fan on it, with mine, I tip them carefully on their side so that any water runs out of the crown. I want to post this now, so that you will see it quickly, but I am going to type another post to recomend culture etc...
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11-17-2007, 12:35 AM
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| http://www.orchidweb.org/aos/orchids...lturephals.pdf Skewer use for watering of orchids Because your phal is potted in sphag, it is going to take longer for it to dry, and the skewer method works okay for this type of medium. Others might recomend that you change mediums, but I have a couple of Phals in sphag, and you just have to be more careful of watering, or the roots will rot. I have one monster plant in sphag that only needs to be watered about once every 10-12 days. I personally do not recomend repotting this plant until it starts to feel better, as it is already stressed, and repotting will stress it further and may tip the balance completely. Phals generally do well with repotting at any time, I have found however that a switch to a medium that dries faster (such as bark mix) that the plants do go through a period of stress and adjustment. I do not mist my Phals, but I am looking into humidifiers. In my opinion misting a Phal is just inviting problems.
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11-17-2007, 12:41 AM
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| Hi Brook, Thank you for the replied. The leafs looks funny when I received them last Fri. I email the grower and he told me it's "fine". My question is: Is that leaf looks fine ? Should I do anything ? Jim |
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11-17-2007, 01:00 AM
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| Well, it does not look fine. If you want to rehabilitate it, what I have recomended might work, might not. I would definitely contact the grower with pics. If this is one of the plants with the rotten roots from your other thread, I would complain for sure. Yes it is stressful for the plant to be shipped, but I do not feel that it should be going downhill so quickly. I do believe that misting could have been part of the problem, but it may very well have been ailing before it got to you. I wish you luck. If you do want to attempt to help the plant I suggest that you pour peroxide into the crown tonight, dust the crown with cinnamon when it is dried out, and put the thing in front of a fan ( a gentle breeze type setting). I am afraid that if you do not at least take these steps tonight, it will for sure be a goner. I also reccomend looking into some physan ASAP, as this plant will surely be needing all the help you can give it. If the roots are rotted, I would pour the mix over the medium and all also. Hope that helps.
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11-17-2007, 01:07 AM
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| I also have another thought, is the pic that you have where the plant is at all times? it is also possible, that with the misting the water has intensified the light coming from the window, and is burning the plant. If the leaves are wet in any way, they must be kept out of the light until they are dry. My first instinct is possible crown rot, but my second thought is that the misting and the light might be causing it. If the peroxide bubbles when it is poured onto the crown, I am saying it's rot or bacterial.
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11-17-2007, 01:23 AM
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| Hi Brook, If that is crown rot, It was came that way from the grower. I noticed a small brown dot when I received the plant and the leafs look pretty much the same, Little bit yellow and pink. Thanks, Jim |
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11-17-2007, 01:30 AM
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| Good luck, I stand by my recomendation then. It will hopefully begin recovery with some treatment, and TLC.
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11-17-2007, 01:39 AM
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| Re-exam the leafs, It appear to me they are broaken from the base. Durning shipping, the grow folding the leafs up to save some space. I think they broke the leaf when they pack the plant on Tue., when I received the plant on Fri, The leaf turned from green to yellow pinkish. Question : the top leaf died, will that kill the plant? Or they can grow new leaf later ? Thanks, Jim |
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11-17-2007, 01:49 AM
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| As long as the rest of the crown is not damaged, and the leaf has broken so as to allow another to grow in. You may have to do surgery, but let's get this healed first. Carefully remove all of the top leaf that has died, and treat with the peroxide and cinnamon. Then you wait. Carefully check for more breakage. if there is, a q-tip with the above mentioned used at the breakage will keep out fungus or infection and help the leaf to heal.
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11-17-2007, 01:41 PM
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| jhy1 I just read your other thread regarding who you ordered your orchids from; this is NOT how most growers ship their orchids!! Do you mind telling us who sent you these orchids in this condition?? E-bay? Orchids and shipping are expensive and you are entitled to receive a perfect plant, everytime. No rotten roots, no crown rot, no broken leaves. Personally I would demand a refund,  but given the way this guy talked to you before I doubt if you will get anywhere. At the very least, you can spread the word so none of us make the same mistake buying from him.
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11-17-2007, 04:29 PM
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| I decide to post the email I received and the email I replied to the grower (Sandra, you are smart, how do you know who the grow is ????) I say: I did "not" re pot the "scarlet obrunzer", and I did not mean you packing the orchids leafs up was wrong, I'm trying to find some excuse for you why the leaf is dying. Please don't mixed up two different plants and two different issues. I don't know have you ever see the pictures I sent to you, You keeping telling me the "yellow &pinkish" leaf was "normal", but now that leaf fall off and look like crown rot. Also you told me 90% dead roots is "OK" and "all our orchids are inspected before shipping...roots and all.." . I think most people will not agreed with you. Please go to Hello!!! New from San Jose, CA and Is this a crown rotting ? see the pictures in your own eyes. If you feel you owe me a new plant or two, Please ship it to me with my "last" ordered. If you want me to ship those two plants back to you to get the refund, Never mind !!! I don't want to pay double the shipping plus take another chance, the odd is not on my side so far. Thank you and have a nice weekend !! Jim He said earlier : ----- Original Message ---- From: "BALDANORCHIDS@aol.com" To: h_yang@sbcglobal.net Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 12:27:04 PM Subject: Re: You've received a question about your eBay item, ORCHID BALDANS KALEIDOS... We always pack the leafs up you have to....Please get a book on orchids because everything you are asking is normal..and you cannot repot orchids that are just shipped they will die to much trauma.And all our orchids are inspected before shipping...roots and all..We are sending you your invoice for your new order .2 are bare root species they are full grown species as big as they will ever get the others are potted do not repot them they have just been repotted,its fine if there are dead roots leave them alone...The only one you should repot if you like is the lake view splash..and that as well is full size..We have to check out the nurseries to see if we have anymore of the scarlet obrunzer.If not we will refund your money and you can ship the one you have back to us. THANK YOU BALDANORCHIDS |
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11-17-2007, 04:35 PM
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| Looking at their web site the photos would tend to indicate they know how to grow phals! HOWEVER - this email response IMMEDIATELY puts them on my DO NOT ORDER EVER list! Sheeesh. |
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11-17-2007, 04:41 PM
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| Has the crown blackened anymore or is this plant even savable? I would definitely see about replacements or refunds. Unreal how people treat Newbies.
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11-17-2007, 04:42 PM
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| Hi, Just received two more boxes from you. Three small Keikis look very healthy, I pot them already. ORCHID HYBRID'SPLASH' WHITE,PINK,PURPLE,RED TIE DYED in 4" pot look small with four leafs very healthy. ORCHID SPECIES 'GINING ALICIA' PEACH X LARGE MATURE POT in 4" square pot with two leafs plus one small new leaf, one leaf was bend at the base, I don't know it will recover or not ? One third of the roots were dried or dead, I re pot it already, it should be fine. ORCHID HYBRID 'BALDANS JEWELS'FRAGRANT STARTING 2 SPIKE in 6" pot with four leafs, one small new leaf and two spikes, leafs and spike looks good. It look like the plant want to claim out the pot so I start the whole re pot process. I'm surprised to found out 90% the roots were rotted, I took a picture then cut them off treat it with Cinnamon. and re pot it, the plant should recover but should I cut the spikes off ? Tomorrow I will check all the plants I received last week, make sure they all have good roots. Question : What should I expect the condition of the plants I purchased from you ( Very good reputation grower)? Should I re pot the plant when I received them ? Thanks, Jim ----- Original Message ---- From: "BALDANORCHIDS@aol.com" To: h_yang@sbcglobal.net Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 11:03:09 AM Subject: Re: Yellow pinkish leafs OK.. There are no pictures in this file you will need to send again as a zip..2.Do not compare leafs to other plants they all have different leafs just like people are all different..We have orchids with all shape and color leafs..That depends on the cross breed..and leafs all turn brown yellow and fall off...Just resend the pictures so i can see them and tell you whats going on.But please don;t send in that format we can't open them here..try a zip file..thank you and dont worry im sure it's fine if not e will send you a new one.. |
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11-17-2007, 04:50 PM
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| Hi BaldanOrchids, I attached few pictures of the plants I received last Fri. ORCHID BALDANS KALEIDOSCOPE X SCARLET OBRUNZER HUGE Above item is the one with yellow pinkish leaf. I left the feedback "wish have greener leaf". 9:30 am this morning, after I misted the plants, I noticed there is a dark spot in the center of the plant, look like it is a little cracked at the base of the leaf. Was this caused the leaf to turn yellow ? Is this will affect the new leafs grow ? will he died ? I noticed this leaf was pretty flat at the top, not like the other kind of pointed up or down, It's hard to describe but you can see it from the second picture(016.JPG). The first picture showed the dark spot(012). The third is to compare the leafs with my other plants(013). The fourth is my other plant too(014). Please let me know if the plant will be "OK", Can I let it bloom when he spike ? Or better let him rest to cut the spike off ? Any special care should I apply ? Thank you very much and Have A Nice Weekend !!! Jim -----Inline Attachment Follows----- Hi BaldanOrchids, I attached few pictures of the plants I received last Fri. ORCHID BALDANS KALEIDOSCOPE X SCARLET OBRUNZER HUGE Above item is the one with yellow pinkish leaf. I left the feedback "wish have greener leaf". 9:30 am this morning, after I misted the plants, I noticed there is a dark spot in the center of the plant, look like it is a little cracked at the base of the leaf. Was this caused the leaf to turn yellow ? Is this will affect the new leafs grow ? will he died ? I noticed this leaf was pretty flat at the top, not like the other kind of pointed up or down, It's hard to describe but you can see it from the second picture(016.JPG). The first picture showed the dark spot(012). The third is to compare the leafs with my other plants(013). The fourth is my other plant too(014). Please let me know if the plant will be "OK", Can I let it bloom when he spike ? Or better let him rest to cut the spike off ? Any special care should I apply ? Thank you very much and Have A Nice Weekend !!! Jim -----Inline Attachment Follows----- Hi BaldanOrchids, I attached few pictures of the plants I received last Fri. ORCHID BALDANS KALEIDOSCOPE X SCARLET OBRUNZER HUGE Above item is the one with yellow pinkish leaf. I left the feedback "wish have greener leaf". 9:30 am this morning, after I misted the plants, I noticed there is a dark spot in the center of the plant, look like it is a little cracked at the base of the leaf. Was this caused the leaf to turn yellow ? Is this will affect the new leafs grow ? will he died ? I noticed this leaf was pretty flat at the top, not like the other kind of pointed up or down, It's hard to describe but you can see it from the second picture(016.JPG). The first picture showed the dark spot(012). The third is to compare the leafs with my other plants(013). The fourth is my other plant too(014). Please let me know if the plant will be "OK", Can I let it bloom when he spike ? Or better let him rest to cut the spike off ? Any special care should I apply ? Thank you very much and Have A Nice Weekend !!! Jim I just wondering is he mad of me or something, Am I asking too much ? |
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11-17-2007, 05:03 PM
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| Where the leaf fell off, take a q-tip and dip it into peroxide. Rub it across the the broken area. Then take cinnamon and dust where the break is. This will disinfect the area and cautarize the wound, keeping the area sterile and preventing spread of anymore possible bacteria/infection. Hope this helps.
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