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Old 07-12-2007, 08:07 AM
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Cattleya cutting

Here is the cutting I got today. It have roots and one new bulb growing from the base. Is it able to make her survive? I put a bag on her to increase humidity!
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Old 07-12-2007, 08:08 AM
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Here is potted and anchored with wire!
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Old 07-12-2007, 08:59 AM
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Aleska,

It looks like you're doing all the right things with this little cutting. If you continue with good Cattleya culture and are patient while the plant gets back to blooming size, it should eventually bloom for you.

It is usually recommended that divisions be no less than 3 mature pseudobulbs. This is because the new growths draw on the stored energy of the older growths until they have roots of their own from which to draw nutrients. Because your division is only one back growth, the new shoot, although strong and healthy will probbly not grow to its full size. Further more, it may take 2 or 3 more growth cycles before the plant has regained enough strength to bloom.

Happy Growing!
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Old 07-12-2007, 09:39 AM
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Thanks! At the moment, bloom is not very important to me... I just want to be sure that this will survive!
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Old 07-12-2007, 10:18 AM
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have you thought of putting the Catt into sphagnum moss ?

I think that would give the growth the best chance of growing

what do other members think of this ?
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Old 07-12-2007, 10:46 AM
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I would second the spag moss for seedlings or small cutting, keikeis and the like.

moss gives more water to the few roots that are there, so the plant is less likely to dry out. i have a den keikei in moss atm, its growing loads of new roots.
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Old 07-12-2007, 11:44 AM
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The reason for the moss is that it makes better contact to the tiny bit of root, and will give the plant a chance to taken in moisture at a higher rate. An alternative to moss, or something to use with moss too, is to raise the humidity for the plant so it won't have to take in moisture so fast. Cover the plant with a clear plastic baggy until it has a few more roots. However, leave the bottom of the baggy loose so that their will be some air exchange and the humidity won't be a full 100% as this may prevent some problems. When it is time to remove the baggy, you can leave a bigger openning for a week or two to acclimate your plant to lower humidity.
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Old 07-12-2007, 11:44 AM
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just repotted my Mtssa. CM Fitch and while cleaning out the old media a set of teeny tiny pups fell away. They appear to be older but undeveloped... if that makes sense. The 'pup' set was on the opposite side of all the new growths. I potted that up in a little 2" pot with 3 chunks of fir bark in the bottom and sphag moss wrapped around the roots and stuffed in for snugness. Will see what happens.
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Old 07-12-2007, 04:30 PM
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Unfortunately, I can't find Sphag here in Montenegro, but I've already done as Cynthia said, put a bag on the cutting. I tied the bag on the bottom so the humidity will be 100 %, every day I remove on a few minutes to let the fresh air come in!
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Old 07-12-2007, 06:06 PM
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Cattleya can do quite well with minimal water.

I had a bulb break off a plant my first commercial shipment with no roots. I threw it aside but before it went into the garbage it sprouted a root smaller than yours. I left it bare and tied it to a mount. Two and a half years later it still has only a few roots but three new bulbs.

Growing a cutting this small is much slower than growing a young seeding to blooming size.
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Old 07-12-2007, 08:33 PM
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I'd forgot about the sphag and bag, must hve been in too much of a haste. I typically think of sphag and bag for rootless plants and since this had some roots...

I did once have a very small weak piece of Bl. Maikai 'Mayumi' that I potted (not sphag and bag) and it grew insanely fast, branched and after about 5 years I had about a 15-20 growth plant. I think it was two growths though and did have more roots however.

I think probably either would be ok for a Cattleya-type.
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Old 07-16-2007, 12:55 AM
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Aleksa, sphag & bag is for plants with no roots. Your plant has a root, so you really don't want 100% humidity. If you use 100% humidity, the plant gets very tender, and will have possible problems acclimating to more normal humidity. Any thing that has some root, no matter how small gets less than 100% humidity in my growing area. I really think you need to open the bottom of the bag.
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Old 07-24-2007, 07:40 AM
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Well, things are like this now:

Yesterday I opened bag to check the roots! And some of them were rot! Water couldn't evaporate normally and humidity satyed high so they roted! BUT! New grpwth has grown up. Not much but it did! I have putted my cutting in a fish bowl with a water on the bottom. Plant do not touches the water. Top of the bowl is opened so the air can move. I'll wait for the plant to make more roots and then i will pot it! Here is the pic. In a bowl there is also a Dendrobium.

Problem is that plant cannot stay in a pot because it have no roots to hold her stabile.

Suggestions? Critiques?

I know I know It's my fault! But I'm still believing that this little thing will survive!
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Old 07-24-2007, 08:29 AM
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Unbelievable, lol-that is a very clever way to get them to sprout roots
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Old 07-24-2007, 09:05 AM
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Well, dunno, thanks!! I-m more interested to know is it possible?
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Old 07-24-2007, 10:55 AM
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Aleksa,
As that new growth matures, it will start to put out more roots. Then you shouldn't have to worry about it so much, and you can put it in a pot! I don't see a problem with your fishbowl method, though I might dunk the bottom of the plant in some water every other day or so in case new roots are starting, to give them a bit more water.
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Old 07-24-2007, 02:24 PM
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Yes, I understand that, just, that new growth need water to become mature, and water is taken by the roots, and this thing does nt have roots!

And, there is another problem, If i pot her deep in pot then it will be stabile but than this whole new growth is under soil which is not good! I thought to tie some moss on that lower part to encourage root growth!
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Old 07-25-2007, 03:34 PM
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You can keep a young plant upright by taping a flower stake to the outside of the pot and attach the plant to the stake.

With small roots like this I would place the plant on the top of the pot not in the medium. Let the roots just touch the medium and they will start to grow into the pot without the danger of rot.

I do it often.
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Old 07-25-2007, 03:41 PM
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Thank you very much!
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Old 07-25-2007, 04:51 PM
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What Jerry says. You can also just put the division in a small clay pot with no medium and mist it once in a while until it sprouts roots. I know this may sound frightening, but it works. My opinion is that techniques like baggies, terrariums and fishbowls just ask for rot. Catts need plenty of air circulation.
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Old 07-26-2007, 12:24 AM
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