Please ID these?

[Phoenixdawn]

Having wanted orchids for years and was afraid of the myths, I was given one as a gift a year ago which is now just coming into flower again. However, in the meantime, I've been buying seedlings and obtaining rescues - so I suddenly find I've got 18 of them about the house - how does that happen?

I have a Phal that I purchased in a sale May that's still wonderfully in flower, and I'd like to ID it and mark it accordingly before the flower dies off and I have no idea.

I also rescued a couple of Oncidiums (both same variety) from a local DIY store bin rack which I'd also like to ID.

Would the forum please be so kind as to help me?

I'm hoping that I've managed to attach this mornings photo's ok.

Thank you for any insights forthcoming

[kmarch]

You've already got as much info as will be possible. The first two are Oncidiums, the third a phal. They're most likely al hybrids which means it will not be possible to give a more specific ID. The Oncids might possibly be species but it will be impossible to tell because with this kind of Oncid it's nearly impossible to tell the species apart form the hybrids. Sorry....

[orchids4me]

As Kmarch said hard to ID due to those reason example I can give is your pic #1 I've seen with no tags and have seen some with tags but look almost alike but all had different names..... Only common was its type "Oncidium" but as far as their care sheets or culture sheets thos will be the same Onc. And Phal.
Sorry we couldn't be of more help those are considered NOIDS. (No ID's )
Emmaye

[Phoenixdawn]

Okey dokey, will just mark them up according to the colours so that I'll know what to expect next flowering time. Thanks for the input. Being new to this, I've no id-ea what will be a noid or not lol.

[orchids4me]

Hi its actually simplw...
Anything you buy that doesn't have a name tag is a NOID. I have quite a few myself and find nothing wrong with just enjoying its blooms I tag em with Onc or Phal what ever it is and list bloom description just as you were saying. Many of us have NOIDS.
Just enjoy you orchids
Emmaye

[Phalcycle]

Originally Posted by Phoenixdawn

Okey dokey, will just mark them up according to the colours so that I'll know what to expect next flowering time. Thanks for the input. Being new to this, I've no id-ea what will be a noid or not lol.

Anything that you buy that has a wrong lable, or no lable at all would be considered NOIDS.
A lot of big box stores and grocery stores sell orchids, but most of the time, they aren't labeled. Due to the fact that there are so many crosses between plants, it'll be hard to ID any of them. So the best bet is to call them a noid, and yes, just mark the color of the plant.
Some people even give their own names for the plants

[heatherm]

Whatever the names they are lovely, healthy looking plants. I enjoyed the pictures.

Take good care of them

[Phoenixdawn]

Thanks for all the comments everyone! I'm still soooo very much on a learning curve here. Cheers!

[Phoenixdawn]

While I was continuing my research on the Oncidium rescue trail ( i.e. how do I give it TLC without accidentally killing it), I came across some other people selling ones with identical photo's to the ones I was hoping to ID.

Now here's the confusion - in looking through the sellers, the photo of the flower looked exactly the same, yet I came across 6 different namings. Can any of you out there shed some light please?

Heres the different names for my pretty little Oncidium referencing:

Brilliance 'Hilo Bay Beauty'
Millennium Gold
Gower Ramsey
Marshallianum
Sphacelatum 6T
Sphacelatum 3T

Partly its because I would love to think my Oncidium actually had some status instead of being a NOID for a change, I guess?

What are your thoughts?

[kmarch]

Originally Posted by Phoenixdawn

Now here's the confusion - in looking through the sellers, the photo of the flower looked exactly the same, yet I came across 6 different namings. Can any of you out there shed some light please?

This is why your ondiciums will be impossible to ID. Many different hybrids and even some species will look just alike. This is one of the reasons it's impossible to ID noid hybrids.

Onc sphacelatum (note capitalization) is a species and if you look closely you'll see that it and your flowers are really very different from it. You've also listed "Onc Marshallianum." I suspect you meant Onc marshallianum. The currently accepted name for this orchid is Gomesa marshalliana. It too looks very different from your flower.

Originally Posted by Phoenixdawn

Partly its because I would love to think my Oncidium actually had some status instead of being a NOID for a change, I guess?

What are your thoughts?

If you want orchids with "status" buy named orchids, preferably awarded, named orchids. Enjoy your noid for what it is, a pretty noid. There's nothing wrong with noids. I think all pretty much all of have a few noids. You can grow, flower and enjoy a noid just as much as any other orchid. There's very little you can't do with a noid. Just enjoy it for what it is and if "status" is important, just buy named orchids.

[Phoenixdawn]

Onc sphacelatum (note capitalization) is a species and if you look closely you'll see that it and your flowers are really very different from it. You've also listed "Onc Marshallianum." I suspect you meant Onc marshallianum. The currently accepted name for this orchid is Gomesa marshalliana. It too looks very different from your flower.

Looking closely at the pics they had posted, they did look like mine - which is why I was confused and wondering if folk are masquerading the same plant under different names.

Status isn't really that important - I'm just playing!

I can enjoy a NOID without any hassle, however I do feel I will learn along the way if I investigate just in case I find information or labels which were missing that would help me to add to my basic knowledge.

[kmarch]

Originally Posted by Phoenixdawn

Looking closely at the pics they had posted, they did look like mine - which is why I was confused and wondering if folk are masquerading the same plant under different names.

Trying to ID any orchid using web photos is dicey to begin with. There's no system of refereeing to control to ensure the reader that things posted on the web are correct and accurate. Sometimes vendors will post an alternate pic to give the buyer an idea of what sort of orchid they're selling but that pic may not actually be the actual one for sale.

Originally Posted by Phoenixdawn

Status isn't really that important - I'm just playing!

Oh we're all playing! We all get a lot of enjoyment out of our orchids.