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Aussie Show schedule confusion? Help!!!

Talking about Sarcochilus orchids..... Primary hybrids, (two species crossed with both parents Aust) eg Melba, Fitzhart. then it has
Any other primary sarc. hybrid.... so how do you know if you have this type of orchid?

Then there is the complex sarc hybrid (all Aust.)- Are these what is commonly called a hybrid.

Just when I think I have figured it out,
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Is the 2nd class listed as any other Sarcochilus hybrid or any other Sarcanthinae hybrid? If it's Sarcochilus, I'm not sure of the logic behind the class as non-Australian Sarcochilus hybrids aren't easy to come by. If it's Sarcanthinae, it's for primary intergenerics eg Rhinochilus, Plectochilus, Sartylis etc.
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These are the classes:
Primary Sarcochilus hybrids.
Melba
Fitzhart
Any other primary sarcanthinae hybrid..predominately which ever colour you have

Complex Sarcochilus Hybrid (All Aust)

Australian Native Intergeneric Sarcathinae Hybrid
Plectochilus
Rhinochilus hybrid
Any other Intergeneric- one parent to be Australian
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Perhaps the easiest way to tell would be to plug the name of your plant into the "Grex name search" of the RHS Orchid Register (The International Orchid Register / RHS Gardening )

Click on the matching result and it will give you the parents. If both parents are species (ie. they are shown with a lower case name) then you have a primary hybrid.
If one or both of the parents are hybrids (first letter capitalised) then it is a complex hybrid.

For example it would show Sarc. Melba as (hartmannii X falcatus), Fitzhart as (fitzgeraldii X hartmannii), Weinhart as (weinthallii X hartmannii) etc. All primary hybrids.

Something like Sarc. You Beauty would give (Bobby-Dazzler X falcatus) and Sarc. Burgundy on Ice as (Judith X Fitzhart) - both complex hybrids.

If you have a plant that has say (Sarcochilus hartmannii 'Red' X Sarcochilus hartmanni 'Spotty') this is still classed as a species although it may depend on your society's schedule as to whether it has goes in a separate class to other Sarc. species. We have a specific class for Sarc. falcatus, mainly because so many members have them Sometimes you'll have a situation where a plant fits multiple classes so you can make a decision as to where best it should be entered.
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Australian Native Intergeneric Sarcathinae Hybrid
Plectochilus
Rhinochilus hybrid
Any other Intergeneric- one parent to be Australian
Oh, also when you get into intergenerics that is where you have plants from multiple genera hybridised. For example...

Plectorrhiza tridentata X Sarcochilus Heidi = Plectochilus Longwarry

Rhinerrhiza divitiflora X Sarcochilus Canary = Rhinochilus Judith Larsen

Sarcochilus Fitzhart X Rhyncostylis retusa = Sartylis Toowoomba Sparkle (not strictly Australian)
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Don't forget the rare one, Sarconopsis = Phalaenopsis x Sarcochilis.
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Ooooh, I want to see that one!!!!
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Hi sounds rather confusing and an old show schedule, I drew a new one up for our first Sarc show last month in cooperation with Nevile Roper from the Revesby orchid club
It now reflects modern breeding and mostly classes are based on colour.
More easy and simple for the members to understand.
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These are the classes:
Primary Sarcochilus hybrids.
Melba
Fitzhart
Any other primary sarcanthinae hybrid..predominately which ever colour you have

Complex Sarcochilus Hybrid (All Aust)

Sounds similar to Marybyrnong's show where they have separate primary hybrid categories for Melba, Fitzhart and 'others' to keep the competition between the big white Sarcs and the small colourful Sarcs separate.
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Well Andrew you know what I am up against then. I wish that they (schedules) were a little more user friendly. especially for novices. I think I will talk to the committee. There has to be a better way.
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Hi sounds rather confusing and an old show schedule, I drew a new one up for our first Sarc show last month in cooperation with Nevile Roper from the Revesby orchid club
It now reflects modern breeding and mostly classes are based on colour.
More easy and simple for the members to understand.
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Thanks Ron, I followed the link but didnt find a schedule. Can you please send me one and would you mind if I showed it to our committee. Yes well the name Neville Roper says it all.

Our schedule has Any other primary sarcanthinae hybrid - predominately white or cream, etc. but you still need to know which group they belong too
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Thanks Ron, I followed the link but didnt find a schedule. Can you please send me one and would you mind if I showed it to our committee. Yes well the name Neville Roper says it all.

Our schedule has Any other primary sarcanthinae hybrid - predominately white or cream, etc. but you still need to know which group they belong too
They seem to have taken it down, PM me with your email address and I can send you our new one plus Revesbys
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