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pikevi, I was thinking leaf wash or dabbing on spots that have rot possibly.

Bill I have read cynthia's post on insecticides, and that is where the quandary came in, as the Bayer 3 n 1 that she reccomends only comes in a huge bottle where I am at. I was actually hoping she would weigh in on the ones I mentioned originally, the bifrenthrin, Sevin spray, and Ortho spray. Spray bottles are easier for me to manage with the kids and the pets, and the large bottle would just go to waste. I do prefer the idea of using a more natural spray on them.

126, I can see the mites with a magnifyng glass, even still, I know that is what is at the plants. I have been fighting them all summer because of the ivy tree. My house is about 80 or so and this tree is huge and covered with the ivy, so it is impossible to treat the ivy without say a firehose lol. That tree is full of bugs, birds, and has even trapped one of my cats (it was not fun trying to find her). I have a few other plants that were in the same area, and I need to treat them as well just as a preventative. Thanks for the other suggestions, that gives me more options.